Reggie Bush will be top 5 all time.
I don't care who you are or at what level, but when you make people miss THAT bad THAT consistently, youre goin places.
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And don't get it twisted, I've seen RB run through a couple dudes also...he is not a bounce outside guy, he can run up the tackles with the best of them...I am as impressed w/RB as I've been with any back...He is complete...
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QUOTE(Aemeth)Reggie Bush will be top 5 all time.
gotta put that in my sig....how can you guys be that ridiculous?
I expect it from Aemeth because he's a style > substance guy.....and if a person jukes out 5 defendersa nd loses 10 yards he thinks its a great play....... but Ty.... you seriously can't believe that hes gonna be one of the top 5 all time running backs in NFL history because he's fucking people up in college....
Bo Jackson FUCKED people up in college....hes no where the top 5 in the NFL....
What you guys keep missing...and I keep saying over and over again.....he's making PAC 10 safties and linebackers miss....players that will never sniff the NFL...I'm waiting to see how many of the Texas defenders he shakes and if he's even gonna get the 300+ yards hes putting on all the other whack teams they've played.
Fact of the matter is...USC hasn't played a defence thats ANYTHING like the NFL defences....so just because RB is busting people in the PAC 10 really says nothing about how he'll do in the NFL.
Now...don't go putting words in my mouth....I didn't say Ruggie Bush isnt good......I didnt say he shouldnt be in the NFL....and I didnt say I think he'll suck in the NFL.....I'm saying jsut because he's putting up 500 yards against frenso state says nothing about wether or not he's gonna get fucking rocked against the ravens in a couple of years...
Stop making stupid brash predictions like top 5 of all time when I'm not entirely sure that this guy is in the top 5 college running backs of all time just yet..... (and dont say anything about that...I didn't make this an absolute...I'll go ahve to study my numbers to see if he gets in the top 5)
the bottom line is.....USC hasn't faced a tough defense yet....so judging him on that is like saying just because Kobe dropped 62 in 3 quarters against the Mavericks (HORRIBLE defence) means that he'll EASILY drop 70+ on every other taem in the league...
gotta put that in my sig....how can you guys be that ridiculous?
I expect it from Aemeth because he's a style > substance guy.....and if a person jukes out 5 defendersa nd loses 10 yards he thinks its a great play....... but Ty.... you seriously can't believe that hes gonna be one of the top 5 all time running backs in NFL history because he's fucking people up in college....
Bo Jackson FUCKED people up in college....hes no where the top 5 in the NFL....
What you guys keep missing...and I keep saying over and over again.....he's making PAC 10 safties and linebackers miss....players that will never sniff the NFL...I'm waiting to see how many of the Texas defenders he shakes and if he's even gonna get the 300+ yards hes putting on all the other whack teams they've played.
Fact of the matter is...USC hasn't played a defence thats ANYTHING like the NFL defences....so just because RB is busting people in the PAC 10 really says nothing about how he'll do in the NFL.
Now...don't go putting words in my mouth....I didn't say Ruggie Bush isnt good......I didnt say he shouldnt be in the NFL....and I didnt say I think he'll suck in the NFL.....I'm saying jsut because he's putting up 500 yards against frenso state says nothing about wether or not he's gonna get fucking rocked against the ravens in a couple of years...
Stop making stupid brash predictions like top 5 of all time when I'm not entirely sure that this guy is in the top 5 college running backs of all time just yet..... (and dont say anything about that...I didn't make this an absolute...I'll go ahve to study my numbers to see if he gets in the top 5)
the bottom line is.....USC hasn't faced a tough defense yet....so judging him on that is like saying just because Kobe dropped 62 in 3 quarters against the Mavericks (HORRIBLE defence) means that he'll EASILY drop 70+ on every other taem in the league...
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QUOTEBo Jackson FUCKED people up in college....hes no where the top 5 in the NFL....
Bad comparison.....Bo Jackson, while he was healthy, did in fact Fuck people up and would have (without a doubt) been one of the top RBs of all time. He was just dealt a shitty hand when it came to career longevity.
QUOTEUSC hasn't played a defence thats ANYTHING like the NFL defences
Name me ONE Division 1 school that plays ANYTHING like an NFL defense.
Reggie Bush is the complete package.....he doesn't pick his competition, he just averages 8.9 per carry against them. He is not a style over substance guy, he proves weekly that he is heads and shoulders above anyone else in the Country. If you need flash, he gives it to you, if you need someone to put his head down and roll over the top of a LB....he'll do that to.
Additionally if you are going to go on the "he hasn't played against a good defense" school of thought then your argument that Shawn Alexander is the second coming of Christ loses a bit of steam...
The Seahawks have only played three (3) teams that rank in the top 10 in defense and one of those was the Colts the week their head coach lost his son and wasn't at the game. Against those 3 opponents he only went over 100 yards once. Six of the Seahawks opponents ranked in the bottom 10 in total defense and they played those 6 teams a total of 9 times.
Bad comparison.....Bo Jackson, while he was healthy, did in fact Fuck people up and would have (without a doubt) been one of the top RBs of all time. He was just dealt a shitty hand when it came to career longevity.
QUOTEUSC hasn't played a defence thats ANYTHING like the NFL defences
Name me ONE Division 1 school that plays ANYTHING like an NFL defense.
Reggie Bush is the complete package.....he doesn't pick his competition, he just averages 8.9 per carry against them. He is not a style over substance guy, he proves weekly that he is heads and shoulders above anyone else in the Country. If you need flash, he gives it to you, if you need someone to put his head down and roll over the top of a LB....he'll do that to.
Additionally if you are going to go on the "he hasn't played against a good defense" school of thought then your argument that Shawn Alexander is the second coming of Christ loses a bit of steam...
The Seahawks have only played three (3) teams that rank in the top 10 in defense and one of those was the Colts the week their head coach lost his son and wasn't at the game. Against those 3 opponents he only went over 100 yards once. Six of the Seahawks opponents ranked in the bottom 10 in total defense and they played those 6 teams a total of 9 times.
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LG, I almost never see the point of your arguments...Along with what Rim said, how dare yo bring up Bo Jackson's name..? Dude, are you aware that Bo Jackson split time playing baseball and still had top notch stats..? Playing 9 or 10 games a season..? Are you serious..? The fact that you threw that little tidbit of information out alone is off the chain to me...
QUOTE(RIMFIRE)Name me ONE Division 1 school that plays ANYTHING like an NFL defense.
Shit man, I couldn't have said that better myself...Damn, I wonder what you would have said about Barry Sanders...Dude, nobody was talking about the Ron Dayne bowl...The Rashaan Salaam bowl...Both of those backs had stellar numbers in college...Won the Heisman...What trips me out, is what makes you think that everybody else that watches football, rates it and talks about it, doesn't figure RB is the real deal...Where is your foundation..? You keep talking about competition, how about you tell that to Marshall Faulk who played at San Diego State..? Dude, RB is Marshal Faulk x's 10...He's a complete back, I'm not sure where you come from thinking that he can't make it in this league...Top 5 all time is not a prediction I would make, but based on what he's done, and what I know about the game, I'd be a dumbass to say that he couldn't...
You keep running off at the keyboard about how USC hasn't played a tough defense...Son, you don't win 3 years worth of football in a row playing nothing but shitty teams...What you're saying makes no sense at all, that's like saying Carson Palmer wouldn't have the steel to be a good pro QB cause of the Pac-10...Like Larry Fitzgerald wouln't be a good NFL wideout cause he played in the slaw ass Big East...
What nonsense...
QUOTE(RIMFIRE)Name me ONE Division 1 school that plays ANYTHING like an NFL defense.
Shit man, I couldn't have said that better myself...Damn, I wonder what you would have said about Barry Sanders...Dude, nobody was talking about the Ron Dayne bowl...The Rashaan Salaam bowl...Both of those backs had stellar numbers in college...Won the Heisman...What trips me out, is what makes you think that everybody else that watches football, rates it and talks about it, doesn't figure RB is the real deal...Where is your foundation..? You keep talking about competition, how about you tell that to Marshall Faulk who played at San Diego State..? Dude, RB is Marshal Faulk x's 10...He's a complete back, I'm not sure where you come from thinking that he can't make it in this league...Top 5 all time is not a prediction I would make, but based on what he's done, and what I know about the game, I'd be a dumbass to say that he couldn't...
You keep running off at the keyboard about how USC hasn't played a tough defense...Son, you don't win 3 years worth of football in a row playing nothing but shitty teams...What you're saying makes no sense at all, that's like saying Carson Palmer wouldn't have the steel to be a good pro QB cause of the Pac-10...Like Larry Fitzgerald wouln't be a good NFL wideout cause he played in the slaw ass Big East...
What nonsense...
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Um.....so telling me that they've been undefeated 3 years in row strengthens their schedule how? You dont figure in the fact that the reason they might have no lost in 3 years is because they play shitty teams...
I mean seriously where the fuck is the logic in that ? If a highschool team wins 3 state championships undefeated....it doesnt mean they played the best teams....its means they were way better than everyone else they played againist....which is both a compliment to them...and says something about their competition.
What I said about Barry Sanders.....i said this guy's a great college running back....I cant wait to see how he does in the NFL.......I never said Reggie Bush sucked....and I even said that I DONT think he's untalented....I know the guy is fucking talented....I'm telling you that jsut because hes good in college says NOTHING about how he'll do in the NFL.......
and you're little comeback about how no college team plays like an NFL team only improves my point.......so fucking what hes running over college defences....how does that prove in the least bit that he'll be successful in the NFL? IT DOESNT. jesus christ jsut because I'm not touting Reggie Bush as GOD doesnt mean that I dont tihnk hes doing his thing.... the both of you keep seeing fit to argue with me about wether or not Reggie Bush is doing a good job....I know hes doing great.....that doesnt mean he'll be any good in the NFL.....all I'm fucking saying is "wait and see what he does" before you go saying he'll break every record and be the best player to ever put on a pair of cleats....jesus ::breathes::
Um...I never said Alexander was the second coming of christ...but I said he's better than LT whose team, despite being considered one of the top 5 talent wise in the league in the preseason couldnt even make the playoffs. The man broke a record for rushing touchdowns this season and people still dont give him credit as the best in the business...... I mean did Bush even break any college rushing records?
If you're gonna hate on SA for breaking NFL records....but tell met hat Bush will be the best running back in the NFL next year....you better have some back up to that claim...and 8.9 yards with the best O-Line against some of the worst defences in major conferances isn't gonna cut it.
He's gonna be a rookie next year....if he even declares....and the man isn't gonna be scoring 40 touchdowns jut because he does it in college.
In fact.......I forgot his name...but theres already a kid in college who has been numbers than Bush...but is getting no attention oncesoever.....If you like RB becasuse of his numbers....then why not this guy?...........this brings me back to my other thread....you like Reggie Bush becasue you see his highlights and his stats and his games.....the media is in completely control of who you think is the best...regardless of what is really going on.
Like I said to begin with and my real pointt is...which I've already stated but everyone seemed to have read over ..........Wait until he gets to the NFL before you start telling me that he's gonna be the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be..... Just because he's doing it in college doesn't mean that he isn't gonna be an unproven back when he gets in the NFL just because its football doesnt mean that if you excell in one area you'll excell in the next. Sure...he has the tools to do it......but wether or not he will is yet to be seen....
In fact....I want to see how he does against Texas....the only really good team that USC has faced all year.
I mean seriously where the fuck is the logic in that ? If a highschool team wins 3 state championships undefeated....it doesnt mean they played the best teams....its means they were way better than everyone else they played againist....which is both a compliment to them...and says something about their competition.
What I said about Barry Sanders.....i said this guy's a great college running back....I cant wait to see how he does in the NFL.......I never said Reggie Bush sucked....and I even said that I DONT think he's untalented....I know the guy is fucking talented....I'm telling you that jsut because hes good in college says NOTHING about how he'll do in the NFL.......
and you're little comeback about how no college team plays like an NFL team only improves my point.......so fucking what hes running over college defences....how does that prove in the least bit that he'll be successful in the NFL? IT DOESNT. jesus christ jsut because I'm not touting Reggie Bush as GOD doesnt mean that I dont tihnk hes doing his thing.... the both of you keep seeing fit to argue with me about wether or not Reggie Bush is doing a good job....I know hes doing great.....that doesnt mean he'll be any good in the NFL.....all I'm fucking saying is "wait and see what he does" before you go saying he'll break every record and be the best player to ever put on a pair of cleats....jesus ::breathes::
Um...I never said Alexander was the second coming of christ...but I said he's better than LT whose team, despite being considered one of the top 5 talent wise in the league in the preseason couldnt even make the playoffs. The man broke a record for rushing touchdowns this season and people still dont give him credit as the best in the business...... I mean did Bush even break any college rushing records?
If you're gonna hate on SA for breaking NFL records....but tell met hat Bush will be the best running back in the NFL next year....you better have some back up to that claim...and 8.9 yards with the best O-Line against some of the worst defences in major conferances isn't gonna cut it.
He's gonna be a rookie next year....if he even declares....and the man isn't gonna be scoring 40 touchdowns jut because he does it in college.
In fact.......I forgot his name...but theres already a kid in college who has been numbers than Bush...but is getting no attention oncesoever.....If you like RB becasuse of his numbers....then why not this guy?...........this brings me back to my other thread....you like Reggie Bush becasue you see his highlights and his stats and his games.....the media is in completely control of who you think is the best...regardless of what is really going on.
Like I said to begin with and my real pointt is...which I've already stated but everyone seemed to have read over ..........Wait until he gets to the NFL before you start telling me that he's gonna be the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be..... Just because he's doing it in college doesn't mean that he isn't gonna be an unproven back when he gets in the NFL just because its football doesnt mean that if you excell in one area you'll excell in the next. Sure...he has the tools to do it......but wether or not he will is yet to be seen....
In fact....I want to see how he does against Texas....the only really good team that USC has faced all year.
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OK, the only one arguing anything is you...If you want to call it that...Really, I'm not sure what it is...None of the points you mentioned in the previous post, nobody here has made...
QUOTE(Lost Ghost).that doesnt mean he'll be any good in the NFL
Dude, that's a moot point...Why would you even say that..? Please, tell me what the point of a statement like that is...Who here discussing this topic, doesn't know this..? Which one of us jumped up and said RB would be the best player in football next year, even if he doesn't have a decent team..? Its amazing how you go on these rants that make no sense, and then try to justify them...
Saying that really makes no sense, what-so-ever...
In comparison...Imagine me telling you 5 years ago that Shaun Alexander would one day be the best RB in football...YOU would be the one, looking at his stats, and saying, \"Bullshit, he sucks,\" etc...When scouts and GM's were looking at something more than that...Everyone here is saying the same thing, you're the only one that is saying, \"Well, the Pac-10 sucks, and lets see what he does against Texas,\" and shit, like on that day, football will cease to be a team sport...
Ladanian Tomlinson played in the fucking Mountain West Confrence for crying out loud...The fact that you keep talking shit about the Pac-10 and their defenses is null and void...Imagine the dude laying in the cut saying that LT could not be great, or doesn't have the potential to be great, because he played his college ball in a stank confrence...TCU played Oklahoma and got steam rolled...Nobody was saying LT wasn't the real deal then...He had like 49 yards rushing that game...LT ran for 400 yards in a single game...You would be the only dummy jumping up to say \"he did it in the Mountain West, and would never do it in the NFL\" or some shit...
Dude, you're the only basing potential on his statistics and competion on how he'll do in the NFL...
But if that makes sense to you, how about you just come right out and say that what RB is doing isn't special...And then you go and find another running back in the history of the game that did better...
LT - Senior Year:
Ladainian Tomlinson - 5.5 YPC (In the hard hitting MWC :-$)
Barry Sanders (1988)
Averaged - 7.6 YPC
Marcus Allen
Averaged - 5.8 YPC
Herschel Walker
Averaged - 5.9 YPC
Reggie Bush has been a running back all his life, through HS and college...He runs a 10 second 100...He is 6', 200lbs, and fast as fuck...He is the best tailback (on paper) at a school that has been home to some of the best tailbacks ever...Reggie Bush, on his worst day, is 4.8 yards per carry...He averages about 12.3 yards every time he touches the ball...You jazz on about the lack of competition in the Pac-10, where were you when he torched Notre Dame (A BCS tean) for 160 yards averaging 10 yards a carry..?
No other back has done what he's done, regardless of confrence, and got in the league and been total garbage dude, what the fuck is your problem..? Get outta here with that hating bullshit man, nobody wants to read it...How can the dude NOT be good if he gets a semi decent team and remains healthy..? Don't be so bogus...You're sporting that quote Aemeth made like is dumb, really, its quite the opposite...Everyone here that is touting Reggie Bush as the next best thing (including the NFL and people who get paid to know and scout talent) has the audacity to say that he is great now...And can be great in the league...
QUOTE(Lost Ghost)I think he's the typical guy who looks fast because hes playing against slow oppetents..
And everybody else watching football is dumb as fuck, and can't see a 40 year Roger Clemens pitching in the little league world series striking everybody out...There isn't a single fucking player in the Pac-10 that can run fast...Please...
All things considered, it makes no sense to say \"lets just wait and see\" when statistically he's the fucking man, and realistically he's the fucking man...Everybody in all of college football is looking for a \"Reggie Bush\" right now...
QUOTE(Lost Ghost)Hmm.....I think this guy isn't as good as people think...
You need to ask yourself why you feel the need to say petty little shit like that...
QUOTE(Lost Ghost).that doesnt mean he'll be any good in the NFL
Dude, that's a moot point...Why would you even say that..? Please, tell me what the point of a statement like that is...Who here discussing this topic, doesn't know this..? Which one of us jumped up and said RB would be the best player in football next year, even if he doesn't have a decent team..? Its amazing how you go on these rants that make no sense, and then try to justify them...
Saying that really makes no sense, what-so-ever...
In comparison...Imagine me telling you 5 years ago that Shaun Alexander would one day be the best RB in football...YOU would be the one, looking at his stats, and saying, \"Bullshit, he sucks,\" etc...When scouts and GM's were looking at something more than that...Everyone here is saying the same thing, you're the only one that is saying, \"Well, the Pac-10 sucks, and lets see what he does against Texas,\" and shit, like on that day, football will cease to be a team sport...
Ladanian Tomlinson played in the fucking Mountain West Confrence for crying out loud...The fact that you keep talking shit about the Pac-10 and their defenses is null and void...Imagine the dude laying in the cut saying that LT could not be great, or doesn't have the potential to be great, because he played his college ball in a stank confrence...TCU played Oklahoma and got steam rolled...Nobody was saying LT wasn't the real deal then...He had like 49 yards rushing that game...LT ran for 400 yards in a single game...You would be the only dummy jumping up to say \"he did it in the Mountain West, and would never do it in the NFL\" or some shit...
Dude, you're the only basing potential on his statistics and competion on how he'll do in the NFL...
But if that makes sense to you, how about you just come right out and say that what RB is doing isn't special...And then you go and find another running back in the history of the game that did better...
LT - Senior Year:
Ladainian Tomlinson - 5.5 YPC (In the hard hitting MWC :-$)
Barry Sanders (1988)
Averaged - 7.6 YPC
Marcus Allen
Averaged - 5.8 YPC
Herschel Walker
Averaged - 5.9 YPC
Reggie Bush has been a running back all his life, through HS and college...He runs a 10 second 100...He is 6', 200lbs, and fast as fuck...He is the best tailback (on paper) at a school that has been home to some of the best tailbacks ever...Reggie Bush, on his worst day, is 4.8 yards per carry...He averages about 12.3 yards every time he touches the ball...You jazz on about the lack of competition in the Pac-10, where were you when he torched Notre Dame (A BCS tean) for 160 yards averaging 10 yards a carry..?
No other back has done what he's done, regardless of confrence, and got in the league and been total garbage dude, what the fuck is your problem..? Get outta here with that hating bullshit man, nobody wants to read it...How can the dude NOT be good if he gets a semi decent team and remains healthy..? Don't be so bogus...You're sporting that quote Aemeth made like is dumb, really, its quite the opposite...Everyone here that is touting Reggie Bush as the next best thing (including the NFL and people who get paid to know and scout talent) has the audacity to say that he is great now...And can be great in the league...
QUOTE(Lost Ghost)I think he's the typical guy who looks fast because hes playing against slow oppetents..
And everybody else watching football is dumb as fuck, and can't see a 40 year Roger Clemens pitching in the little league world series striking everybody out...There isn't a single fucking player in the Pac-10 that can run fast...Please...
All things considered, it makes no sense to say \"lets just wait and see\" when statistically he's the fucking man, and realistically he's the fucking man...Everybody in all of college football is looking for a \"Reggie Bush\" right now...
QUOTE(Lost Ghost)Hmm.....I think this guy isn't as good as people think...
You need to ask yourself why you feel the need to say petty little shit like that...
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