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#21

"Yaltabaoth" is not quite the devil. It is the origin of self identity, as the limits of the understanding of the self. The Gnostic Demiurge. The name means "I, who am just" - he is the origin of self-righteousness.

Let's use the Solar system as an anology. Were Mercury to turn his head outward, he would see all the planets in the orbs, and mistakenly believe it is he that they revolve around. He would see how "small they were" and how far they were from him. He would likely develop a big head about it. And anytime any of the other "planets" looked at him, they would be overcome with such a radiance and power as to hold them that this would cause him to be completely convinced that he was the origin of all the power,.. that is actually coming from the sun behind him.

Understanding can transcend the self, but at that time, it is no longer your Knowledge, it is True Understanding. To know this is the Mystery of Wisdom, and to achieve it is the Purpose of Humanity, and the Grace of Divine Providence.

To those who do not understand this, Yaltabaoth is a devil. To those who understand this, Yaltabaoth is but a spectre. a clingfilm barrier on the beauty of the Universe, but no one that can not be just ripped aside, for he preserves a sacred balance, just as Mercury has a function in preserving the orbit in the Solar System. One must pass through the Yaltabaoth, by becoming it and transcending it by shedding all concieved notion that ones righteousness makes one Just. It is something which radiate far beyond the realm of who you imagine yourself to be, and is much closer to the core of who you ARE.

It is for this reason that Herme was not a Dios, but the Angelos, the Messenger. A self-serving messenger is not to be trusted, for obvious reasons. A true detatchment of the self will show not a self-sacrifice is needed, but that a self-dedication to something infinitely larger than your own limited understanding of your Self requires you to focus on larger issues than a over-absorbed insistence for your own base desires to be fulfilled.

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#22

QUOTE(raum)And to be honest, he is as racist and opportunistic as the men he criticizes.

Good enough for me...This reminds me of a song Ras Kass had called "Nature of the Threat," and had similar "ooh wee wee" type facts and punchlines...

I am VERY weary of any discussion about plans of world domination and secret societies...And Pete, people do not just start a war for "the hell of it"...We are not global leaders...So, lets not pretend to be...War has been here for as long as man has...So, GWB or not other leader is not doing anything out of the ordinary for us...I would even go so far as to say war is necessary...

But anyway...This guy...I doubt he could go 3 replies into any of these topics...Cats will read a book man, and think that its whats up...I like to read, and question, and take from it that which I am supposed to...Sorry to go off topic, but raum is a big fat topic killer, cdr...

#23

Ok...so you don't have anything to say about any of the lyrics?

#24

"A true detatchment of the self will show not a self-sacrifice is needed, but that a self-dedication to something infinitely larger than your own limited understanding of your Self requires you to focus on larger issues than a over-absorbed insistence for your own base desires to be fulfilled."

Thanks Charles for that. In fact I can see that statement in the lyrics I posted, which I will set out below.

To properly understand yourself, you have to take a look from the outside, otherwise you will develop a false perception.

"I see my reflection in the window.
It looks clean inside, dirty on the out."

You see the understanding.....

"I'm looking different than me."

And, if you ignore the real understanding, then that is denial.

"This house is CLEAN baby, this house is clean!"

And therefore, become the Mercury that chooses to look AWAY from the sun that gives him his power, assuming the position of highest authority and owner of power.

"I, drink from the cup of denial
I'm, judging the world from my throne."

Here's the clip again, it will help with understanding my post. RealPlayer/Windows Media
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Ty, I'll get back to your post after this one.