US officials seeing new home-grown terror cells
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US officials seeing new home-grown terror cells
Time for some raids?Terror cells
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oh shit...I better move underground
"If there were no eternal consciousness in a man, if at the bottom of everything there were only a wild ferment, a power that twisting in dark passions produced everything great or inconsequential; if an unfathomable insatiable emptiness lay hid beneath everything, what would life be but despair?"
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i wish they would have noticed these cells about 5 years ago...it is nice that they are finally recognizing them.
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lost a good friend to one in California.
A good kid whose family was Afghani. He was into industrial music, and we were housemates while he studied at UC Berkeley. He worked at the bank, and lived with me and my girl (at the time). We were the heart of the East Bay Rollerblade Death Squad - a group of goth skaters who lived in the same neighborhood. A camp in Lodi contacted his parents about "being true to his muslim faith, and remembering his Afghani origins" and persuaded his parents in Palo Alto to send him there.
He didn't want to go. But they told him he had to go to this camp in Lodi, or they wouldn't pay for his college.
He came back, hated me, hated america, hated everything but his new wife (Tazneem?) they gave to him, and the Quran.
He and I ended our friendship at knifepoint, and I moved out leaving him wounded but alive. That was back in 1999.
Of all of my religious studies, all my experience in the middle east, and all my walks of life, I have never seen the likes of what he had become. Seriously, I never even saw that hatred and paranoia in the ACTUAL middle eastern countries, or the mosques I have visited. I've even known people who belonged to organizations called "cults" and at least they were functionally civil.
Last year, this organization was positively identified as being a terrorist farm. I have never seen him again. sigh...
A good kid whose family was Afghani. He was into industrial music, and we were housemates while he studied at UC Berkeley. He worked at the bank, and lived with me and my girl (at the time). We were the heart of the East Bay Rollerblade Death Squad - a group of goth skaters who lived in the same neighborhood. A camp in Lodi contacted his parents about "being true to his muslim faith, and remembering his Afghani origins" and persuaded his parents in Palo Alto to send him there.
He didn't want to go. But they told him he had to go to this camp in Lodi, or they wouldn't pay for his college.
He came back, hated me, hated america, hated everything but his new wife (Tazneem?) they gave to him, and the Quran.
He and I ended our friendship at knifepoint, and I moved out leaving him wounded but alive. That was back in 1999.
Of all of my religious studies, all my experience in the middle east, and all my walks of life, I have never seen the likes of what he had become. Seriously, I never even saw that hatred and paranoia in the ACTUAL middle eastern countries, or the mosques I have visited. I've even known people who belonged to organizations called "cults" and at least they were functionally civil.
Last year, this organization was positively identified as being a terrorist farm. I have never seen him again. sigh...
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Wow Raum, that's horrible. Sorry to hear about that. That must have been tough. There are some messed up people who find it easy to manipulate some good men. Sorry to hear about this
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yeah, i like to think he cleared up, but with that woman, i don't know.
she was married into America in that camp. She wasn't even Afghani.
she refused to speak english, and just ... like ... bitched at him in Arabic until he would get so pissed at us.
it was fucking weird. like playing a video game or reading a book and looking up and they are just silently fuming while staring at you. we had been housemates for like 8 months, and spent like every free minute together, me and him and my girl (at the time). After that shit, she went to london for a while, came back, and then moved back to her parent's house and got therapy.
and i am not the kind of person to call things weird. but that was some freaky shit.
she was married into America in that camp. She wasn't even Afghani.
she refused to speak english, and just ... like ... bitched at him in Arabic until he would get so pissed at us.
it was fucking weird. like playing a video game or reading a book and looking up and they are just silently fuming while staring at you. we had been housemates for like 8 months, and spent like every free minute together, me and him and my girl (at the time). After that shit, she went to london for a while, came back, and then moved back to her parent's house and got therapy.
and i am not the kind of person to call things weird. but that was some freaky shit.
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QUOTE(iMNO)i wish they would have noticed these cells about 5 years ago...it is nice that they are finally recognizing them.
They did but the culture and laws on books back then kept them from doing anything about it. Shit, the bitch that authored most of these laws was on the 9/11 Commission, now that's what you call a 'White wash"
They did but the culture and laws on books back then kept them from doing anything about it. Shit, the bitch that authored most of these laws was on the 9/11 Commission, now that's what you call a 'White wash"
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Raum's story... a fucking shame. It's unfortunate that people get drawn into this bullshit. You know they had to do some fucked up shit to him to get him like that... You know, it really makes you think... who is more dangerous: the terrorists or the guys who have the ability to minipulate your mind to get you to strap a bomb to your chest... :?
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