oh for crying out loud aemeth. ok. you are correct about that. it implies "and not the rest of the world". now, a good reader would not home in on "in the US", but more on "why" and "shit happening". you bring these things together and you'd say "hey, why does this kind of shit happen in the US (and not the rest of the world?" actually wrong still, since that kind of exactly the same shit HAS happened in other countries - Germany for example had a very similar killing. so... I should rephrase to "why does that shit happen more often in the us and not the rest of the world?". That looks correct at last.
wow. amazing how one can stall a discussion by being incomprehensive.
then... part 2 of the post. you say that not trusting god is natural. sorry... you say our tendancy to not trust god fully is natural. And not wrong or right - I better be complete, or you might be stalling, hmm...
now. problem with that is that GOD itself is a human invention of its own. see, we have a human tendency to label things we feel, while labels are not representative of the true emotion they intend to convey. blind belief in the christian representation of god is a great way to not ever get in touch with the emotion it once tried to express... and how can you then have trust in an ethereal concept which nobody is understanding anyway? what I know though is that grievance still is a very human and well known emotion and that grieving - or not grieving - has nothing to do with trusting god.
oh. i am all ears for the argument for a divine, unchanging will. or did you mean the *lack of a divine, unchanging will*?
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Ok, you believe God is a human invention. That is all you had to say to make my points completely irrelevant and arbitrary to our debate...While I may disagree (concerning God), that is not what this is about...
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Let's not debate this in here. This thread is about the travesty that happened on a college campus and 33 families who will never be the same. Move this discussion to VU if you want to continue it
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Heroes of the VT Massacre
When student gunman Seung-Hui Cho went on a rampage at Virginia Tech, killing 32 people before turning a gun on himself, students and teachers had to make split-second decisions.
Senior Zach Petkewicz and others in his class in Norris Hall on April 16 threw up a table against a door to form a barricade to keep out the gunman.
"He came to our door, tried the handle and couldn't get in because we were pushing up against it," said Petkewicz.
"[He] tried to force his way in and got the door to open up six inches and then we just lunged at it and closed it back up. ... That's when he backed up and shot twice into the middle of the door thinking we were up against it trying to get him out."
That barricade saved their lives.
In nearby Room 204 of Norris Hall, Liviu Librescu was doing a slide show for his engineering students when gunshots rang out a couple of classrooms away.
Librescu's students say their 76-year-old professor moved quickly, blocking the door to give his class time to escape. Two were wounded, but all survived -- all except Professor Librescu.
Librescu's son, in Israel, said he is not surprised that his father, who survived the Holocaust, would act with such bravery.
"I knew that he ... he's going to take action ... he's going to do something not normal, definitely not something cowardice, something ... he wouldn't have taken cover, for sure," said Joe Librescu.
On Friday, Librescu was laid to rest in Ra'nana, Israel, surrounded by hundreds of family members and friends and honored as a hero.
"We would like to thank you, professor Librescu," said Ra'nana Mayor Ze'ev Beilski. "In your death you saved life of many other people."
Ryan Clark also didn't run for cover, students said. He was a resident assistant at the dormitory where the first shooting occurred. Students said he was rushing to investigate when he was killed.
Known for his smile, Clark pursued three majors and made time for charity work. His twin brother and sister say the world lost an angel.
"He was always ready and willing to give for somebody else," said Bryan Clark.
Added Nadia Clark, "Basically what my brother said ...an angel ...someone who would have been great to this world. All he wanted to do was help children and other people, so they just lost someone who's really, really caring and really genuine all the time."
Asked what he would say to those who call him a hero, Petkewicz looked away, began blinking rapidly, shrugged his shoulders, shook his head back and forth, removed his right hand from the pocket of his blue jeans and used it to stroke his forehead, then said in a voice choked with emotion, "I'm just glad I could be here."
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When student gunman Seung-Hui Cho went on a rampage at Virginia Tech, killing 32 people before turning a gun on himself, students and teachers had to make split-second decisions.
Senior Zach Petkewicz and others in his class in Norris Hall on April 16 threw up a table against a door to form a barricade to keep out the gunman.
"He came to our door, tried the handle and couldn't get in because we were pushing up against it," said Petkewicz.
"[He] tried to force his way in and got the door to open up six inches and then we just lunged at it and closed it back up. ... That's when he backed up and shot twice into the middle of the door thinking we were up against it trying to get him out."
That barricade saved their lives.
In nearby Room 204 of Norris Hall, Liviu Librescu was doing a slide show for his engineering students when gunshots rang out a couple of classrooms away.
Librescu's students say their 76-year-old professor moved quickly, blocking the door to give his class time to escape. Two were wounded, but all survived -- all except Professor Librescu.
Librescu's son, in Israel, said he is not surprised that his father, who survived the Holocaust, would act with such bravery.
"I knew that he ... he's going to take action ... he's going to do something not normal, definitely not something cowardice, something ... he wouldn't have taken cover, for sure," said Joe Librescu.
On Friday, Librescu was laid to rest in Ra'nana, Israel, surrounded by hundreds of family members and friends and honored as a hero.
"We would like to thank you, professor Librescu," said Ra'nana Mayor Ze'ev Beilski. "In your death you saved life of many other people."
Ryan Clark also didn't run for cover, students said. He was a resident assistant at the dormitory where the first shooting occurred. Students said he was rushing to investigate when he was killed.
Known for his smile, Clark pursued three majors and made time for charity work. His twin brother and sister say the world lost an angel.
"He was always ready and willing to give for somebody else," said Bryan Clark.
Added Nadia Clark, "Basically what my brother said ...an angel ...someone who would have been great to this world. All he wanted to do was help children and other people, so they just lost someone who's really, really caring and really genuine all the time."
Asked what he would say to those who call him a hero, Petkewicz looked away, began blinking rapidly, shrugged his shoulders, shook his head back and forth, removed his right hand from the pocket of his blue jeans and used it to stroke his forehead, then said in a voice choked with emotion, "I'm just glad I could be here."
Source: CNN
"If there were no eternal consciousness in a man, if at the bottom of everything there were only a wild ferment, a power that twisting in dark passions produced everything great or inconsequential; if an unfathomable insatiable emptiness lay hid beneath everything, what would life be but despair?"
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::shakes head::
unbelievable how quickly life can be snatched away.
and praise go to that teacher...i am speechless towards his actions..
unbelievable how quickly life can be snatched away.
and praise go to that teacher...i am speechless towards his actions..
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Yea, that was quite the sacrifice by the teacher
"If there were no eternal consciousness in a man, if at the bottom of everything there were only a wild ferment, a power that twisting in dark passions produced everything great or inconsequential; if an unfathomable insatiable emptiness lay hid beneath everything, what would life be but despair?"
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