CHANGE might need CHANGING...

[raum]

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/pol ... es_on.html

Wow, great idea, promise everything... then sober up, realize shit happens,.. and a month before election - consider what promises you can and can't keep.

It would be original if it wasn't like this happened every election year.

[AYHJA]

Wow, great idea, promise everything... then sober up, realize shit happens,.. and a month before election - consider what promises you can and can't keep.

As opposed to what..? Seems smart to me...

[raum]

Sorry, but that makes little sense.

See, here is the issue: Obama had a big plan for change. The little fact that it was not realistic with any modicum of market instability was maybe something he should have considered before. Maybe it is because his economic plan was devised in part by Obama’s economic adviser Franklin Raines, who was fired from FNMA after faking results to hike management bonuses, and in part by Penny Pritzker, former owner of the Superior Bank of Chicago, which failed and was fined heavily for subprime loan abuse.

I don't care who you are, if you have people like this for economic advice, you need new people!!! NEITHER CANDIDATE HAS GOOD ADVISORS!

But Obama's running on promises of change he prolly can't cash... and will blame Bush all the way to a reversion to socialism idealology that will push the whole nation agressively toward the Left, just to survive.

[Buffmaster]

How can Obama give tax cuts to 95% of the U.S. population when 40% of the population doesn't pay taxes in the first place?

[AYHJA]

"I have asked my economic team to refrain from presenting a more detailed blue-print of how an immediate plan might be structured until the Treasury and the Federal Reserve have had an opportunity to present their proposal," Obama said in a statement. "It is critical at this point that the markets and the public have confidence that their work will be unimpeded by partisan wrangling, and that leaders in both parties work in concert to solve the problem at hand."

Yeah...That sounds REAL stupid...

[raum]

Yeah...That sounds REAL stupid...

Ty, let me clarify what I was implying.

Obama was READY to change EVERYTHING with this looming on the forefront of our economy. THAT was VERY ambitious, but totally reckless. Our economy can simply not afford to be led by a plan that would destroy it if something pops up... cause things have done that during every administration. McCain's policy has more merit, but it is still too liberal with our assets.

That is the danger of overstating the assets of your government and commiting them to special interests, regardless of their social impact or their good natured intent. That, by definition is liberal economic policy, and it has proved WORLDWIDE to be unstable. We can't afford Obama's change, and never could. I was sure he would see that in office, and he still might. If not and he tries major bold change with so much debt sitting in china's hands, plainly, we are screwed.

Obama has gone from a major detailed plan, and gets more optimistic and less specific as election draws nearer. It's called a "reality check," and you can't tax the rich to get it. You do realize with the losses in the market, ALOT of the "rich" won't make enough to pay taxes to support the govt, right, and some "middle class" won't pay anything? Do we expand who the rich are, sell more debt, or cut spending that is Barack's promise to the people?

And this is NOT about race, it is about something much more precious to me than pigments and middle names. to some of that is more important that the polarization of ethnicity. and most of us don't even try to figure out what the hell is going on in the bigoted mind. You know me better than that, and you know I am pretty smart cat, and I am not a "phobe" of any kind. This is about a nation of values I am willing to live, love, work, fight, kill and if need be die for. The greatest challenge to those is the tempations of socialism. and I did the time on those lines to earn the right to say those words. and I did some hush-hush dirt for my discharge, but I also cleaned up the environment, taught kids to read, tutored kids in history, math, and science. and donated my GI Bill to another cause. That's right - I didn't even sign up for the college money people think is the mecenary pay people seek in the honor of military service. I still haven't been to college because of that, but THIS country is bigger than a need for a degree. I gave entire paychecks to conservative non-religious not-for-profit separate from church or state charities in Oakland and Berkeley.

[AYHJA]

Obviously, this is not a good situation to be going into as president...I certainly would not want that job...But with that said:

Wow, great idea, promise everything... then sober up, realize shit happens

"Shit" as I define it is planning a trip back home to Chicago...I budget my trip down to the cent, and take off...It would be some shit happening if I suddenly realized gas in Chicago was $3.80 a gallon instead of $3.30 like it is here...Using that same analogy, what has happened to our economy is unprecedented...That's like getting to Chicago and not only finding out that gas is $3.80, but also that its all Ethanol...That's not gonna fly in my hooptie...So, we go from 'shit happens' to 'this is fucked up' which is a substantially greater issue...

Just as easily as we wanna knock him, we could applaud him for still not trying to sell us wolf tickets...Cause by the same token, I'm sure McCain has dialed back his economic goals as well...

[raum]

Just as easily as we wanna knock him, we could applaud him for still not trying to sell us wolf tickets...Cause by the same token, I'm sure McCain has dialed back his economic goals as well...

McCain actually has a different policy and it still applies well better.

0. bail-out debt at value. (ick!)
1. freeze spending and get a layout of the land.
2. line by line destroy special interest earmarks.
3. figure out how liberal he can afford to be. (ick!)

the problem is simple - liberalism is not working.