Captain America: The Fill-in until Avengers

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Re: Captain America

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Ya know what it wasn't half fuckin bad! I mean it wasn't a masterpiece or anything but Evans played Cap perfectly. I was afraid when he got cast he was gonna be like Reynolds and be making all kinds of little quips and jokes cause you know Reynolds just can't help himself and I didn't think Evans could either. But he was so great as Cap that you actually come away digging him and believing the guy is a badass. There were some funny parts in the movie but not directly tied to Evans. And yeah Bucky does end up biting it BUT in a similar fashion to how he was wiped out on the plane originally so him coming back is going to happen in a sequel without a doubt.

The Red Skull looked great. I mean exactly how you'd want him to look and it kind of made sense for him to have the deformed head instead of wearing a mask but it was like he was just a guy off on his own little separate war away from the Natzis and Hitler. The Skull seemed more like a middle management guy that may have met Hitler a few times. The Red Skull is supposed to be Hitler's Darth Vader. Everyone in the Reich is supposed to be terrified of the guy and yet he seems to be taking orders sorta from other Natzis. And Weaving was good but his German accent was pretty weak. Kinda slips in and out of it at times. And he was pretty evil in this but nowhere near as bad as he needed to be. Zola was his henchman and chief scientist and his first introduction was a great shout out to the comic Zola or a preview of things to come but him and the Skull got along great. Which was the problem! The Red Skull is supposed to be just the biggest asshole fuckheaded twisted bastard in comics. He was a little too polite and levelheaded to be the Red Skull. He should have been yelling at Zola the whole movie and just being a intimidating racist prick but he was more like a Bond villain.

The overall story was pretty good. Alot better than Green Lantern and a shitload better than Thor. It actually flowed and didn't feel rushed and it had a point. The USO thing was silly but it wasn't long and it had an eventual point even if there was absolutely no fuckin chance the US army woulda had him ever do that in real life. The Cosmic Cube was indeed tied into being Odin's and it served virtually no point in the movie. It was never made clear what exactly the thing was supposed to do other than being a power source for a vaporizing gun which was dumb. You do get the Howling Commandos even though they are never called that but no Invaders like I kept hearing were supposed to be in this. I think either Fiege or Joe Johnston thinks the Invaders WERE the Howling Commandos. Nice going Marvel!

My other problem with this was hardly anybody referred to him as Captain America except in the USO or as a mocking title. The same with the Skull who was never called the Red Skull. He was Johann Schmidt the whole movie. Marvel makes a movie about superheroes but seems like they're afraid they'll look silly if they are looked at like they are superheroes. Kind of like the nerdy kid tryin to be too cool for school. Accept who you are Marvel.

Anyway Jig and any of you guys I would recommend checking it out. It has it's flaws but it definitely works better than GL or Thor, not as good as First Class or Iron Man or near the new Bat movies but I would definitely give it a Seven out of ten.

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Re: Captain America

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Alrighty, I'll check it out. You've twisted my wrist. Thanks for the review darkie. Loved the line about Fiege/Johnston & Invaders. So is it true he really only has a few missions before becoming a popsicle ? There's no montage of him putting in a few years work before disappearing so he is the battle tested leader the Avengers need? There's no montage of him learning how to fight & use his new body from the best boxers,martial artists & gymnasts the free world had to offer? The trailers & Wiki make him sound very doubtful about being a hero & inspiration when he is truly the only hero (even moreso than Supes) who should not doubt himself.
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Re: Captain America

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Sir Jig-A-Lot wrote:Alrighty, I'll check it out. You've twisted my wrist. Thanks for the review darkie. Loved the line about Fiege/Johnston & Invaders. So is it true he really only has a few missions before becoming a popsicle ? There's no montage of him putting in a few years work before disappearing so he is the battle tested leader the Avengers need? There's no montage of him learning how to fight & use his new body from the best boxers,martial artists & gymnasts the free world had to offer? The trailers & Wiki make him sound very doubtful about being a hero & inspiration when he is truly the only hero (even moreso than Supes) who should not doubt himself.
Yeah well stupid point number 100: they made the Red Skull chief scientist over Hydra which was supposed to be the Natzis secret weapons division. During his first mission when he ran into the skull for the first time at his secret base he caught site of a map with a bunch of spots labled with all the Skull's or Hydra's secret bases. So it was kind of a montage after that of him and the Howling Commandos going around smashing all these bases and pissing the Skull off. But that was maybe 12 bases and then he met his fate in the frozen food isle. So yeah kinda dumb. I thought they were going to leave it open to Cap sequels taking place in WWII even though the end of this was Avengers. But I think they set up future sequels as being modern day with the Skull returning and Winter Soldier.

And no the only training they showed him getting was in basic training before he was roided up with Secret Soldier Serum. After that he was sent to the USO. But yeah he was portrayed as being very humble throughout and not at all a douche like I was figuring on. I wouldn't say he ever showed any doubts. More like he was the strong silent type who never really cracked a smile. He wasn't Bats grim but I was thrilled he wasn't Stark or Jordan cocky ya know?

And I know I kinda point out all the stupid things in this movie and make it sound like a disaster but I still really dug it and think they nailed the character of Cap perfectly and the Skull is a heeeeeeell of alot closer to the Skull we know than Doom or Magneto (prior to the latest film) ever were portrayed. I sat there wanting to hate it and picking out all the inacccuracies but just ended up really enjoying the heart of it more than anything.

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Re: Captain America

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darklighter1 wrote: I thought they were going to leave it open to Cap sequels taking place in WWII even though the end of this was Avengers.
That would have been the smart move. Idiots. Sounds like everything from Iron Man 2 onwards are nothing but extended trailers for Avengers. Would've/could've been cool to see some Invaders, Baron Heinrich Zemo, Master Man , Baron Blood etc in later WWII sequels. Is Fury in the war sequences? Even a cameo?
And no the only training they showed him getting was in basic training before he was roided up with Secret Soldier Serum. After that he was sent to the USO
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I was thrilled he wasn't Stark or Jordan cocky ya know?
Rogers was never cocky. Just very self-assured & outwardly confident to those he fought alongside.

Did you d/l the origin comic I left a link for on the previous page? That's the movie that should have been made. Simple , direct ,to the point & hella entertaining..
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Re: Captain America

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I still feel like its necessary for me to read those comics you gave me before I see this, even though I could really use a movie with some decent ass kicking in it...

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Re: Captain America

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Sir Jig-A-Lot wrote:
darklighter1 wrote: I thought they were going to leave it open to Cap sequels taking place in WWII even though the end of this was Avengers.
That would have been the smart move. Idiots. Sounds like everything from Iron Man 2 onwards are nothing but extended trailers for Avengers. Would've/could've been cool to see some Invaders, Baron Heinrich Zemo, Master Man , Baron Blood etc in later WWII sequels. Is Fury in the war sequences? Even a cameo?
I know that woulda been intense especially Zemo. It really wipes out like 99% of Caps history by blowing off all his WWII enemies and adventures. There was no Fury, there was Dugan and a dude who I think was supposed to be maybe Fury's father or older brother from what I remember reading in notes about the movie before going in. I meant to see what his character name was during the long as shit credits before the final scene but it just lulled me into a coma before the Avengers thing snapped me out of it.
Sir Jig-A-Lot wrote:[Rogers was never cocky. Just very self-assured & outwardly confident to those he fought alongside.

Did you d/l the origin comic I left a link for on the previous page? That's the movie that should have been made. Simple , direct ,to the point & hella entertaining..
Yeah well that's what I meant he just came off as being exactly how you would think Cap would be. Confident and sure of himself but never boastful. Seems like GL was patterned more on Robert Downey JR than Hal Jordan and the character got lost, not so with Cap Evans did a great job. I didn't see your link but do now I'll take a look at it tomorrow...have insomnia right now...bleh.

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Re: Captain America

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Über wrote:I still feel like its necessary for me to read those comics you gave me before I see this, even though I could really use a movie with some decent ass kicking in it...
Ya know what, it may be better watching without being a huge fan that way you can't be disappointed at the changes. If I wasn't aware of the things that were wrong I probably woulda like this even more. As it is I think you'll really dig it Ube.

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Re: Captain America

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The black guy in the trailers I saw is Gabriel Jones. One of the Howling Commandos, who was only recently killed off in Secret Warriors. I think Ryan Reynolds was just being Ryan Reynolds in GL, instead of being Hal Jordan.
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Right!!! Gabe Jones I forgot about him. So to answer your question...no. Only Fury was at the end after the thaw.

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Hmmm it seems one Invader was in the mix however fleetingly

http://au.movies.ign.com/articles/118/1184798p1.html
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