I composed this letter, and besides the first paragraph and the statement about Trenton (which you can personalize), you should send it to Governor of California.
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Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,
I am writing to you, as a former Californian, with regards to Stanley †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬‚¦‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦¢‚¬Å“Tookie†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬? Williams. You should know that I am considerate of the death penalty as a legal sentence by the statutes of the Law. My political views are somewhat conservative, and I am a U.S. Veteran who supports the sovereignty of my country, and it is for this reason that I moved to Pennsylvania to study the birth of our Nation. I have no affiliation with any Gang, or support of criminal activity.
I believe in that Mr. Williams is a criminal, by due association with a Gang he helped found. He is likely guilty of far worse than he is in jail for. I am not his jury, and I will not say what punishment suits his crime. In consideration, however, of his use of his time behind bars, he has not been useless. He has well demonstrated the fact that providing him clemency would be of greater importance than ensuring his execution, which will simply sap hope from those who seek to rehabilitate from Gang activity. Innocence or guilt of the crimes he has been directly been convicted of is not my greatest interest, as I am not his juror or judge. The lack of his trial†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¾¢‚¬Å¡‚¢s integrity is certainly worth considering, but circumstantial. On this basis alone, the trial is not reconciled; but the truth remains he is at least an accomplice to the combined criminal history of his Gang. Worse than that, he is its Progenitor.
In another light, this man has an established historical significance to the gang, and has done unprecedented work, notably worthy of Nobel Peace nomination and Presidential recognition. He is the surviving source of this gang which still promotes violence and anti-social behavior. His influence has grown considerably. You have it in your control to maintain this vantage point. How could you lose this critical point of strategy to ensure Peace? He is the key to victory over the killing field he helped plant, and winning the Gang wars with Peace.
Sun Tzu said it best in the Art of War:
Treat the prisoners of war well, and care for them. This is called "winning a battle and becoming stronger."
I work in New Jersey, and travel through Trenton everyday. I see the effects of his mission beyond the state of his imprisonment. Have you?
It is regretful that more American†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¾¢‚¬Å¡‚¢s have visibility of Saddam Hussein, who does nothing but provoke mockery of human rights and distract people from the issues of their own country. I am sure this has more than stolen the fire which would burn in defiance of executing a man who could save American youths from preoccupation with criminal association. That is why I petition you to do what you can about sparing his life.
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I am torn about such matters...
Regardless of what convicted for, if this man knows that he has done something harsh in the form of taking a life of another, then I think he should go...I think that he should make that decision from his own personal vantage point...Let his work have been done out of true reform, rather than and exit outta the chamber...
I can't rationalize saving his life, when I have to wonder if he'd thought so hard about saving somebody else's...
Regardless of what convicted for, if this man knows that he has done something harsh in the form of taking a life of another, then I think he should go...I think that he should make that decision from his own personal vantage point...Let his work have been done out of true reform, rather than and exit outta the chamber...
I can't rationalize saving his life, when I have to wonder if he'd thought so hard about saving somebody else's...
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You can't rationalize saving his life, when he has more than 150,000 kids that attribute him with saving their lives, and Nobel peace nomination for killing the worst gang violence on the East Coast, between the Crips and Latin Kings, over in Trenton?
fuck that, you don't get mentioned in the same sentence as Florence nightengale by the Human Rights Org, for just trying to get yo ass out the clink. You don't get FOUR Nobel Peace Prize nominations thinhking bout your own damn self.
and his jury, man??? Nine Judges from the The Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals think they should reconsider Tookie Williams' case to determine if the prosecutor violated Williams' right to racially neutral jury selection by removing three African Americans from the jury that convicted him. Now consider that he had been found to be racially motivated on two other cases when he tailored the jury to his own sucessful prosecution. That's right TWO shows of no-confidence and lack of integrity,.. and he gets assiged to the biggest african american organized crime trial in american history.
NOW: what about the ONLY Evidence is known criminal accomplices sharing profits with the victim who upon questioning and suspicion of murder, produced a gun legally belonging to Tookie FROM UNDER HIS OWN DAMN BED when the cops came to arrest him for the murder, and his knowledge of the person who committed the crime was saying that his sister *also facing felony charges* told him and his wife (noth with criminal records) that this man stayed with them. !!!
Ayhja, this is exactly like staying in someone's house, and they know you have a gun which you legally own, and have registered. The cops find a dead body in a car. It turns out it is a guy who is a known accomplice of your hosts, and actively in a insurance fraud worth thousands. The cops come to pick him up for killing the guy, who has a history of armed robbery. He pulls your gun out from under his bed, and says "I think my sister told me and my wife that she heard somewhere the dude staying with us did it, and he probably used this gun to kill him in the hotel." REPEAT: THE GUY WAS FOUND IN A CAR, AND NO MENTION WAS MADE THAT HE WAS SHOT.
He says "I didn't even know where this hotel was until i heard about it" and upon cross-examination reveals enough that he knows the room down to the furnishing's color and placement of the shot in the room. He then changes his story, and begins to produce a group of people who all have felony charges racking up, who will all be cleared if they testify for the prosecution.
Every witness who gave testimony against him was given a deal, and still ended up back in jail or court - including the main suspects.
That same "testimony of a third party rumour from an unknown source" given by the same accomplice criminal from an accomplice criminal to the murder victim, who perpetuated the insurance fraud after the victim's death. The initial suspect EVEN produced the knowledge that he was killed in his room, though the body was found in the car trunk. The first person he named was actually the second most likely party! What if in his testimony he talked about details of the room, and claimed complete ignorace of the place, other than his sisters "rumour" that she can't even remember the source of (even though her testimony got her ass off the line!)
What is the alibis accepted are for the time of discovery of the body in advanced states of decomposition, and not the undetermined time of death? What if th body was found in a car that was purchased for insurance fraud by the suspect who cut a deal for his testimony> a car purchased for insurance fraud he committed with the murder victim?
http://www.tookie.com/brady_discovery_motion.pdf
read this, and see if you can say what you said before.
The arresting officer has at least two other cases of lying and contriving investigations to resolve crimes, including false testimony and evidence, and hs goal of figuring in influential criminals is clear. I say at least two because TWO have been found INNOCENT.
The arresting officer will not reveal the required and mandated camera footage of his investigation, or the related police personnel records.
I truly believe he is innocent of THIS crime; and that is evident to a point that his case is completely violating the standards of the court.
Watch "Hurricane" before you condemn a man who has no evidence linking him to the crime other than a receipt and registration of the murder weapon that has never had ballistics testing or credible firearm forensics indicating it as the only murder weapon.
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the idea that "well, he must be guilty of something to end up in jail" is a travesty to our justice system, and exactly what our forefather tried to prevent - a court run by the desires of the prosecution.
evidence has been withheld, testimony of critical importance has not been disclosed, investigation was opinion... both the arresting officer and the prosecutor have been found to have racist motive and dishonest practices in other cases.
It is clear to me you have people on the prsecution side who think they have to play dirty to get the streets clean, and keep their animals caged (per the prosector's comments to the jury), and they cut a deal with several small times that they knew would bear false testimony and end up back in trouble, so they could pin this to a big fry like Tookie, and get rid of the hot potato.
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fuck that, you don't get mentioned in the same sentence as Florence nightengale by the Human Rights Org, for just trying to get yo ass out the clink. You don't get FOUR Nobel Peace Prize nominations thinhking bout your own damn self.
and his jury, man??? Nine Judges from the The Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals think they should reconsider Tookie Williams' case to determine if the prosecutor violated Williams' right to racially neutral jury selection by removing three African Americans from the jury that convicted him. Now consider that he had been found to be racially motivated on two other cases when he tailored the jury to his own sucessful prosecution. That's right TWO shows of no-confidence and lack of integrity,.. and he gets assiged to the biggest african american organized crime trial in american history.
NOW: what about the ONLY Evidence is known criminal accomplices sharing profits with the victim who upon questioning and suspicion of murder, produced a gun legally belonging to Tookie FROM UNDER HIS OWN DAMN BED when the cops came to arrest him for the murder, and his knowledge of the person who committed the crime was saying that his sister *also facing felony charges* told him and his wife (noth with criminal records) that this man stayed with them. !!!
Ayhja, this is exactly like staying in someone's house, and they know you have a gun which you legally own, and have registered. The cops find a dead body in a car. It turns out it is a guy who is a known accomplice of your hosts, and actively in a insurance fraud worth thousands. The cops come to pick him up for killing the guy, who has a history of armed robbery. He pulls your gun out from under his bed, and says "I think my sister told me and my wife that she heard somewhere the dude staying with us did it, and he probably used this gun to kill him in the hotel." REPEAT: THE GUY WAS FOUND IN A CAR, AND NO MENTION WAS MADE THAT HE WAS SHOT.
He says "I didn't even know where this hotel was until i heard about it" and upon cross-examination reveals enough that he knows the room down to the furnishing's color and placement of the shot in the room. He then changes his story, and begins to produce a group of people who all have felony charges racking up, who will all be cleared if they testify for the prosecution.
Every witness who gave testimony against him was given a deal, and still ended up back in jail or court - including the main suspects.
That same "testimony of a third party rumour from an unknown source" given by the same accomplice criminal from an accomplice criminal to the murder victim, who perpetuated the insurance fraud after the victim's death. The initial suspect EVEN produced the knowledge that he was killed in his room, though the body was found in the car trunk. The first person he named was actually the second most likely party! What if in his testimony he talked about details of the room, and claimed complete ignorace of the place, other than his sisters "rumour" that she can't even remember the source of (even though her testimony got her ass off the line!)
What is the alibis accepted are for the time of discovery of the body in advanced states of decomposition, and not the undetermined time of death? What if th body was found in a car that was purchased for insurance fraud by the suspect who cut a deal for his testimony> a car purchased for insurance fraud he committed with the murder victim?
http://www.tookie.com/brady_discovery_motion.pdf
read this, and see if you can say what you said before.
The arresting officer has at least two other cases of lying and contriving investigations to resolve crimes, including false testimony and evidence, and hs goal of figuring in influential criminals is clear. I say at least two because TWO have been found INNOCENT.
The arresting officer will not reveal the required and mandated camera footage of his investigation, or the related police personnel records.
I truly believe he is innocent of THIS crime; and that is evident to a point that his case is completely violating the standards of the court.
Watch "Hurricane" before you condemn a man who has no evidence linking him to the crime other than a receipt and registration of the murder weapon that has never had ballistics testing or credible firearm forensics indicating it as the only murder weapon.
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the idea that "well, he must be guilty of something to end up in jail" is a travesty to our justice system, and exactly what our forefather tried to prevent - a court run by the desires of the prosecution.
evidence has been withheld, testimony of critical importance has not been disclosed, investigation was opinion... both the arresting officer and the prosecutor have been found to have racist motive and dishonest practices in other cases.
It is clear to me you have people on the prsecution side who think they have to play dirty to get the streets clean, and keep their animals caged (per the prosector's comments to the jury), and they cut a deal with several small times that they knew would bear false testimony and end up back in trouble, so they could pin this to a big fry like Tookie, and get rid of the hot potato.
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Eh, if you reread my reply, you'll see this has nothing to do with any of that...That's why I said I'm torn about it...Think I don't know a black man can't get a fair trial in these parts..? Shit man, that's old news...I didn't know shit about the case until I just read what you wrote, but I 100% knew that some shit had went VERY wrong in the trial...This, after all, is America...The case and all that...Not really my concearn...I am not saying he deserves to die or to be in jail for whatever crime they convicted him for...And I'm sure he's a fantastic and smart man, espeically now...And shit, I think they should let the man go on the sheer number of cases they've fucked up in the past...Even recently...
I am saying that the man founded a gang...Lets not paint the picture that these cats was out doing community service...Or that they were huddled about for protection from opression...Those young cats were formed from the dust left by the all but extinct Black Panther party...And I understand that there might not be a whole lot of avenues for young black youths now, and especially not back then...But how much longer will that be a valid excuse..? They were fighting for turf and control...They took the image of the Panthers, but not their nobility...
Man, gang violence is something real...And even more important, it is black on black crime at its finest...All too real for a kid that grew up in a city where you either got your ass kicked or joined one...And still got your ass kicked, but at least somebody was supposed to have your back...
For each of those 150,000 kids whose life he touched, I think about how many innocent people lives were touched...How many 4 year old little boys and girls got their lives touched in a drive by...Somebody out there has a very valid reason, and a very explicit and personal one ot want to put the needle in themselves...That troubles me...I know that he didn't committ all of those crimes that have come from gangs...But this is the source of my chagrin...
QUOTE(Stanley Williams)People -- not me -- have a tendency to hyperbolize my past, particularly around the issue of starting the Crips. We wanted to protect one another, for sure, but we were no angels, make no doubt about it. We were looking out for one another, but we were not freedom fighters. We were not the good guys.
I've already signed the petition btw...
I am saying that the man founded a gang...Lets not paint the picture that these cats was out doing community service...Or that they were huddled about for protection from opression...Those young cats were formed from the dust left by the all but extinct Black Panther party...And I understand that there might not be a whole lot of avenues for young black youths now, and especially not back then...But how much longer will that be a valid excuse..? They were fighting for turf and control...They took the image of the Panthers, but not their nobility...
Man, gang violence is something real...And even more important, it is black on black crime at its finest...All too real for a kid that grew up in a city where you either got your ass kicked or joined one...And still got your ass kicked, but at least somebody was supposed to have your back...
For each of those 150,000 kids whose life he touched, I think about how many innocent people lives were touched...How many 4 year old little boys and girls got their lives touched in a drive by...Somebody out there has a very valid reason, and a very explicit and personal one ot want to put the needle in themselves...That troubles me...I know that he didn't committ all of those crimes that have come from gangs...But this is the source of my chagrin...
QUOTE(Stanley Williams)People -- not me -- have a tendency to hyperbolize my past, particularly around the issue of starting the Crips. We wanted to protect one another, for sure, but we were no angels, make no doubt about it. We were looking out for one another, but we were not freedom fighters. We were not the good guys.
I've already signed the petition btw...
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I got my reply this morning. It was very well composed, actually.
but follow me on this. My letter holds him accountable for his crimes, even as just an accomplice, and i am certain he is more than that. and you know my passions get the best of me, sometimes... but damn. If I could get a nickel out of everytime I fought for a cause that sounded like it was a lost cause... and man,.. I am not picturing the man as a saint, and he has never pictured himself as such. In fact his ill-effective legal representation that did that pretty much sealed his sentence, if yo look at the trial.
but i will be damn if I see the legal system and the nation i fought for execute a man for a crime there is no indication of scientific evidence for when all he is doing now is ending violence and saving youth lives. You know I do not oppose the Death penalty. I just think it should be put to good use, if it is used at all. It is our own modern form of national human sacrifice... and it has lasting effects on our country...
Think of all those innocent kids killed by crips and other gangs (rest their souls), and you lose sight of HIS TRIAL.
this is focus. focus on the facts, the accusation, and the importance of his continued life, even if it is behind bars for crimes he does not stand accused for (which is a completely different crusade).
but follow me on this. My letter holds him accountable for his crimes, even as just an accomplice, and i am certain he is more than that. and you know my passions get the best of me, sometimes... but damn. If I could get a nickel out of everytime I fought for a cause that sounded like it was a lost cause... and man,.. I am not picturing the man as a saint, and he has never pictured himself as such. In fact his ill-effective legal representation that did that pretty much sealed his sentence, if yo look at the trial.
but i will be damn if I see the legal system and the nation i fought for execute a man for a crime there is no indication of scientific evidence for when all he is doing now is ending violence and saving youth lives. You know I do not oppose the Death penalty. I just think it should be put to good use, if it is used at all. It is our own modern form of national human sacrifice... and it has lasting effects on our country...
Think of all those innocent kids killed by crips and other gangs (rest their souls), and you lose sight of HIS TRIAL.
this is focus. focus on the facts, the accusation, and the importance of his continued life, even if it is behind bars for crimes he does not stand accused for (which is a completely different crusade).
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Shit, if Monica Bellucci can't get you off death row, you must have done something REALLY bad...
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I don't know all the particulars of the case; all I know is it seems a little ridiculous to kill him now. As far as I know he was convicted in 1981. That means he's spent over 20 years in jail. Why kill him now? What's the point?
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It's a done deal. They executed him last night.
While I'm a strong proponent of the death penalty, I have seen no good, valid reason for them to have carried out this sentence. Yes, he did vile and evil things, but I also believe in redemption and what he had done while in prison seems to me to justify commuting his sentence to life. Let him pay for his crimes, but let him continue the fight to pull young men from the life he had.
While I'm a strong proponent of the death penalty, I have seen no good, valid reason for them to have carried out this sentence. Yes, he did vile and evil things, but I also believe in redemption and what he had done while in prison seems to me to justify commuting his sentence to life. Let him pay for his crimes, but let him continue the fight to pull young men from the life he had.
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Yeah, I think this stunk pretty bad...They made a good point on the news last night...And I guess it has more than swayed my opinion of the death sentence...Mafia man Sammy the Bull Gravano admitted to killing what, 20+..? But because he snitched, he got witness protection and didn't do any time (He's in jail now though for running an E ring out west)...Even if he DID committ the murders, shit man, that was 26 years ago...He has done all these things to help...And while I am a fan of holding up for what you believe in, it really would not have done any real harm for him to stay alive...This was pretty much a revenge execution, and that is what makes it stink...How in the hell do they justify having a prison if reform is no longer valid..?
On the other hand, I can't say 26 years is enough time to make the sting of loosing a loved one go away...Its pretty easy to kick back and say he should live, when that wasn't your brother, husband, and father laying in a vat of his own blood w/2 shotgun blasts in the back...Even if he didn't do it, what are the odds that he knew who did..?
On the other hand, I can't say 26 years is enough time to make the sting of loosing a loved one go away...Its pretty easy to kick back and say he should live, when that wasn't your brother, husband, and father laying in a vat of his own blood w/2 shotgun blasts in the back...Even if he didn't do it, what are the odds that he knew who did..?
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fuck, man. I KNOW WHO DID IT. Anyone does who read the case file.
Goddamn, man. I hope he gets the Nobel Peace Prize.
Peace, unutterable, to the warrior who is sacrificed for the cries of the people,
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Goddamn, man. I hope he gets the Nobel Peace Prize.
Peace, unutterable, to the warrior who is sacrificed for the cries of the people,
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