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Uh... Saddam was never a "buddy" to the U.S. Lets get that clear right now... lol The tricky thing about politics is nothing is black and white. No one is innocent. Everyone has blood on his hands. A lot of countries bitch about the U.S. invading Iraq when it would probably be better to just shut up.

QUOTE(Kramer)Uh... Saddam was never a "buddy" to the U.S. Lets get that clear right now... lol The tricky thing about politics is nothing is black and white. No one is innocent. Everyone has blood on his hands. A lot of countries bitch about the U.S. invading Iraq when it would probably be better to just shut up.
don't talk semantics Kramer. we are discussing. what did I mean with "buddies"?

hmm. i meant: there was a positive Iraq-US collaboration at the time.

We were allies with Iraq because we had a the same stance towards Iran, you know that country where our fellow Americans spent 444 days against their will.
Just imagine if cable TV was around during WWII, the first day of D-Day, we lost 10,000 men, I couldn't even guess how much outrage there would've been. I'm not even sure if we'd won that war if the media back then was like today's media. We always hear about the deaths but never hear when US soldiers save the lives of civilians during a fire fight or bombings and etc.

Well, don't make it seem like they were chummy. The U.S. was simply looking after its interests...

He's making it out that Rummy was being chummy with Saddam.lol

Kind of funny considering the article he posted with Dick Clarke has Clarke saying Rumsfeld was the first one pushing for strikes in Iraq. lol Who needs enemies when you have friends like that? lol /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

indeed Kramer. nice friends indeed. first they support him, because it serves their cause: they had Saddam, a secular, stable guy with lots of western ideas in power of one of the most oil-rich countries in the world who was ALSO willing to go to war with Iran which was not quite so western oriented. then Saddam makes the mistake of his life: invade Kuwait, hoping that Western nations would look the other way much like they had done with the gassing of kurds. The West did not. All of a sudden Saddam was not their "friend" anymore. He became a liability. Hence, by the later 90'ies, Rumsfeld indeed started pushing towards a war in Iraq.

oh cmon,..

saddam was the lesser of two evils, and then he found religion and chemical warfare.. at the same time.

kind of a little different than "we supported him, and them disposed him, huh>"

The problem is Brains keeps looking at everything as if it's black and white... Maybe this will help...

Fact is: nothing is black and white. lol