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I am debating between 360 or ps3...I heard ps3 will come with TiVo..is this still true?

Anyway, I play only a few games, but cannot be beat at them /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Madden, Tony Hawk (Ok, the fuckin guys who controlled the skater for the demos are better than me lol...45 second combo?? damn!), San Andreas, NBA
Street and Fifa Street. And Major League Baseball ft. Ken Griffey Jr. for N64 but those days are just about gone /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

I can't justify spending $400 on the 360 PLUS $65 per game. Now, when the PS3 comes out, I certainly am not spending $600+ on the system and then another $70 per game. Video games are nice... but they are like new cars, WAY too expensive when they first come out.

lol that is true. I havnt actually been able to keep up with the new games coming out. I have a ps2The games I own atm, rachet and clank 3 ( bought it in a combo deal) global strike , metal gear solid 3, GT , Saint Andreas FIFA World Cup 2006 and I have a lot of PS1 titles as well... Damn I cant remember how many games I have bought. But None of them beat when I played MGS1 and then MGS3

I sold my Xbox the other day because I never touch it anymore. I just download an emulator and play some Tecmo Super Bowl and Final Fantasy 1 from NES baby!!!!

QUOTEhmm... ps3 has quite a lot more to offer than x360 raum. the only thing which I would consider a 360 for is "live", which I am pretty damn sure will be better implemented by Microsoft.

agreed, the PS3 will offer more technology, and most of those offerings will be irrelevant to me. and yes, XBOX Live will be better, if you are stateside, your country may vary.

QUOTEOn the other hand, ps3 premium has IEEE802.11b/g and HDMI "next-gen" (1.3). Both part of the official specifications for the 60Gb model. Also: bluetooth 2.0 and MemoryStick, SD as well as CompactFlash support. Never mind the Blu-Ray (which WILL give some games the advantage of swaplessness) and CELL - the fastest processor around according to the the U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (report here.

I will have no memory problems at all. as for bluetooth, I am not a fan. mainly for security issues. Compact flash cards are for my korg, not my xbox. Blu-ray is doomed. Take that to the bank from Lupo and Colleen, both who work at Lawrence Berkeley Labs, where I know quite a few people (having lived in berkeley or nearby in oakland for 10 years). The CELL is damn impressive, but I am skeptical my tv and setup will ever have the oomph required to make this preformance grade. and the last thing I need is to generate another excuse to buy a new tv.

QUOTEWith a bit of reservation: PS3 gen 1 games look to be on par with (if not slightly outclassing) 360 gen 2 games, which bodes farely well for PS3's future, but TGS will give us more info on that a mere two days from now.

being that developers for the xbox are still concentrating on like 3 of 8 threads, there is more power in the box than most developers are wanting to deal with, or it will take a solid 5 years to make a game that will meet the raised standards of consumers. plain and simple, game companies have to make money and the have to balance quality and efficiency. 3d Artist Josh Robinson was fired from Sony when he blogged than people on his end unanimously agree that the 360 offers more to practical development within budget, unless you are REALLY GENIUS with what you are doing.


Also more people still play gen 1 games still. The performance is not the only consideration in a world where gas prices can soar tomorrow and job termination is "at-will", and pricepoint wise, 360 is [still somewhat] affordable, and ps3 is not. I would buy a car with 700 dollars (plus tax and a game). releasing less than half a million units in the states is already idiocy. that means you will have to wait forever to get decent people to play online with. most of the units will be resold, in mint, and thus never open before christmas season is open. Here is the states, for one premium system, two controllers, one game, you will pay at least 800 dollars retail. if you can find it. that is ABSURD.

QUOTEGames to look forward to on the platform are: Resistance: Fall of Men, Genji, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword and Lair. Oh... and there's this next MGS coming up somewhere in the future.

Resistance: Fall of Man - First Person what if WWII never happened because aliens came? no thanks. In general, First Person Shooters are inane. I like the god view of 3rd person, myself, as it gives me a chance to see what my character is doing, and what they look like. If they have level building for online play, it will have a chance. Otherwise, the gimmick guns just won't hold up to longterm online play. Besides, maybe it is a side-effect of having been in the military, I just don't like playing games that try to put me in the action of military combat, unless they really DO have military application of force.

Genji - heh, genji the gay samurai,.. also known as "I don't work for capcom anymore but here is a capcom game. Thanks, I'll take Devil May Cry 4 anyday. Genji did suck, and will suck. At least Onimusha was fun! In all, this looks as fun as most of the dynasty warrior sequels.

Warhawk - looks to be one of the best games to release with the system, but it also appears it may be a bit late to launch, from what I heard. 32 player online support, I'll believe it when I see it.

metalstorm - stupid name, looks like a great cross country racing game, online better perform. perfect for racing enthusiasts. which I am not.

Heavenly Sword - looks pretty. made by the people who made Kung Fu Chaos. I'll Pass, despite the gripping temptation to play it, I will settle for something else if I have to spend 600 dollars on the system it plays on. or more likely, it will be on the 360, or have a strong competition.

Lair - early on, sony lied about in-game shots,.. and I don't trust anything they say until it launches. dragons rock.

Metal Gear Solid - Splinter Cell is better, but I don't really play that either. I am thinking about getting Advanced Warfare for the 360 though, I like the team response and communications.

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QUOTELastly, more and more developer notes are trickling in that PS3 is not that hard to develop for. People get code running way faster than on PS2 - which hardly is a reference I know. But generally speaking, developers who have had some time with it, are surprised by the PS3's ease of programming.

to be fair, most developers who are working with next-gen consoles are pleasantly suprised that 3d development is easier, while 2d development is not any easier. but many of these statements made by developers have been made to bolster consumer confidence in the developer's work.

I think the best statement on this so far came from Japan on the 360, "we can handle it, and it can handle us."

and while I could afford it with some budgeting and dieting in the other areas of my entertainment and education budgets, I can't validate paying a thousand dollars on a console and three games, because no video game will give me as much joy as a week in hawaii with my girl, and that's how much a trip would cost!!!
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and with all my trade-in of ps1 and ps2 stuff (which most of I bought used, or are gifts I already owned), I paid a whopping 57 dollars out of pocket for my xbox360 and 6 games so far, and I still have 145 dollars in credit at gamestop.

and two of those games I can get 60 bucks for in trade right now. and that will buy my next one, and give me 10 bucks left over.

so, I have paid -3 dollars for my xbox 360 and 5 games.

and all it cost me was the games I never played or beat and never thought of again.

Ruff, I still have my NES with a working gun, and over 140 games. including both tecmo bowl and final fantasy.

who needs an emulator?

I traded in a bunch of games and had enough credit left to buy a subscription to "Game Informer" mag (got 2 issues that day). It's got a number of articles talking about how the PS3 may not be able to live up to it's hype. Things like the absence of rumbling controllers and the omen that blu-ray might go the way of the mini-disc. So for now, I'm sticking with my PS2 in the living room and it's brother in the bedroom.

Anyway, after trading like 10 games in and only having enough credit to buy 2 and that magazine script, I subscribed to GameFly. Wow, that service is awesome. I like how one day I wondering GTA:LCS is any good, and two days later I'm playing it. Don't like it, send it back, get another.

Might get a 360 later. Actually I'm witholding sex until the g/f buys me one...

QUOTE(CS)...Actually I'm witholding sex until the g/f buys me one...

heh, if your girlfriend was smart she would no that once she bought ya one the sex would continue to be withheld as you stay up all night playing video games

we have a "get an additional $10 in credit for every 2 ps2 games or xbox games you trade in." and I always wait for the before holiday season to liquidate my old videogames. one man's conquest is another kid's christmas present. take that to the bank.

Thus, my trade value was about 15 dollars per game for about 50 games, when most of them were bought used for 20-30 dollars over the last 5 years. I actually only bought 2 games for full retail, GTA San Andreas (for 40 bucks), and True Crime Streets of New York.

That rings in about 250 dollars a year in depreciation for my gaming habit.

So, I paid 2000, got about 750 in trade, and can offset my losses at a rate of about 21 dollars a month for entertainment.

That's about seventy cents a day for the last five years for my computer game budget. On a ten hour a week play schedule, that's fifty cents an hour. On a more realistic 20 hour weekly play cycle, that's a quarter an hour.

So, I pay 25 cents an hour for video games, after liquidation of supplies (trading games) offset my overhead. That's what I legitimately enter into the video game industry, on a five year regressive analysis.

and coincidentally, that is also what I used to enter into the market when playing Frogger at the local arcade... when I was 4.

sidenote:
there is a 5 cent an hour offset, for the 57 dollars in cash I paid out of pocket for the 360, but that is easily compensated for as a legitimate expense upgrade. Still that is an acceptable variance of approximately 3%.

So what that really means is I paid 3% of my current purchases in next gen gaming in cash.

( My girlfriend hates it when I get technical like this, because in real practice her make-up and special shower stuff costs more than my gaming habit. and of course don't DARE try to tear her away from her hand-held Ninetendo DS Lite!)

*** mind you, I have spent more than 2000 dollars in the last 5 years on games and gear, probably closer to 5 or 6... but I still have all of that. this just represent my liquidation offset for current purchases, which is an acceptable 97%. hell, I still have my original NES and the light gun and controllers work, and 140 games!

So, if you need to, make a jar, and drop a quarter into it every hour of a eight hour day,.. or two dollars a day. then, you can buy a game a month, and still have a bit left. and then, trade two good ones for a new one, and then go back and buy the good one again when they release it as a greatest hit, or just buy it used when the price goes down.

Like GTA - 40 bucks new,.. traded for 27 when it was still hot, bought a new one (x-box) for 20. you do the math. game, in total cost me 33 bucks, I played it the first day on ps2, and I still own it (on a different console), and by time I bought it again (last month) it was a challenge again.

As it is, I got three games (Dead Rising, Far Cry Evolution, Elder Scrolls Oblivion) to trade for the 360 that will get me just over 100 dollars in trade value right now, and I bought them with store credit value of 130 dollars... so I paid 30 dollars to *hold* these games for three months, unlike with a gamefly account I played them all at the SAME TIME, and I can trade them off now, and get them again later, if I feel so inclined. Cost out of game credit pocket is a staggering 10 dollars a month. nothing out of cash pocket.

we have a "get an additional $10 in credit for every 2 ps2 games or xbox games you trade in." and I always wait for the before holiday season to liquidate my old videogames. one man's conquest is another kid's christmas present. take that to the bank.

Thus, my trade value was about 15 dollars per game for about 50 games, when most of them were bought used for 20-30 dollars over the last 5 years. I actually only bought 2 games for full retail, GTA San Andreas (for 40 bucks), and True Crime Streets of New York.

That rings in about 250 dollars a year in depreciation for my gaming habit.

So, I paid 2000, got about 750 in trade, and can offset my losses at a rate of about 21 dollars a month for entertainment.

That's about seventy cents a day for the last five years for my computer game budget. On a ten hour a week play schedule, that's fifty cents an hour. On a more realistic 20 hour weekly play cycle, that's a quarter an hour.

So, I pay 25 cents an hour for video games, after liquidation of supplies (trading games) offset my overhead. That's what I legitimately enter into the video game industry, on a five year regressive analysis.

and coincidentally, that is also what I used to enter into the market when playing Frogger at the local arcade... when I was 4.

sidenote:
there is a 5 cent an hour offset, for the 57 dollars in cash I paid out of pocket for the 360, but that is easily compensated for as a legitimate expense upgrade. Still that is an acceptable variance of approximately 3%.

So what that really means is I paid 3% of my current purchases in next gen gaming in cash.

( My girlfriend hates it when I get technical like this, because in real practice her make-up and special shower stuff costs more than my gaming habit. and of course don't DARE try to tear her away from her hand-held Ninetendo DS Lite!)

*** mind you, I have spent more than 2000 dollars in the last 5 years on games and gear, probably closer to 5 or 6... but I still have all of that. this just represent my liquidation offset for current purchases, which is an acceptable 97%. hell, I still have my original NES and the light gun and controllers work, and 140 games!

So, if you need to, make a jar, and drop a quarter into it every hour of a eight hour day,.. or two dollars a day. then, you can buy a game a month, and still have a bit left. and then, trade two good ones for a new one, and then go back and buy the good one again when they release it as a greatest hit, or just buy it used when the price goes down.

Like GTA - 40 bucks new,.. traded for 27 when it was still hot, bought a new one (x-box) for 20. you do the math. game, in total cost me 33 bucks, I played it the first day on ps2, and I still own it (on a different console), and by time I bought it again (last month) it was a challenge again.

As it is, I got three games (Dead Rising, Far Cry Evolution, Elder Scrolls Oblivion) to trade for the 360 that will get me just over 100 dollars in trade value right now, and I bought them with store credit value of 130 dollars... so I paid 30 dollars to *hold* these games for three months, unlike with a gamefly account I played them all at the SAME TIME, and I can trade them off now, and get them again later, if I feel so inclined. Cost out of game credit pocket is a staggering 10 dollars a month. nothing out of pocket.