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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:51 pm
by AYHJA
Man, you can't really compare guys like Chappelle and such to this dude...Its not even the same thing...Not even the same league...

I have NEVER seen a comic loose his cool, and racially slur people in the audience...This guy got heckled, and his true colors came out...This isn't the same as Chappelle doing a Clayton Bigsby skit...People joke about race and color all the time...But Chris Rock makes as many jokes about his own race, as he does any other...

This guy is pathetic on a million levels man...He should just...Go the fuck away...He said what was in his heart, he should have the fortitude to have left it at that...I wouldn't accidentally slip and call somebody of another race a slur unless I meant it as such...

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:13 pm
by raum
I do not think AYHJA is getting what I am meaning.

I am not comparing professional stand-up and skit comedians usage of racial elements to this guy losing his cool. I am saying, I HAVE SEEN, say Chris Rock, Richard Pryor and many others address people in the audience with the same word,.. so it is not the WORD that is offensive, and for these dudes to be shuddering on interviews about how they had never heard that word used in their music, their homes, their friend's or anything... bullshit. the kids are not being sincere.


It is not the word that offended them, but his employment of it to convey they were, to his thinking, inferior to him. His diatribe conveyed that the REASON he believed them inferior was (in certain order):

1. because he is rich.
2. because they came to see him, (not the other way around.)
3. because they are black.

But he would not have entered into that diatribe had they not challenged his presence on the mike. You ever hear Richard Pryor handle a heckler. WOOOOO! Hell, he went after people and dared them to heckle him, cause he'd MURDER them. Check out "Here and Now." '83 is always a good year for Comedy Gold.

The trick is that St. Pryor never thought people less than himself. That is what is the big difference.

And to be honest, a person who thinks less of his or her audience is not hard to find.

So, I am not saying his use of the word compares to routine material. I am saying how you handle hecklers is a measure of a comedian, and this Michael Richards is no comedian. That he was given a mic is a travesty. but there was a time when a person who challenged the man with the mic got a SEVERE lashing. and in many cases it was based on prejudices, not limited to racism.

Like when Andrew Dice Clay was heckled by the two gay guys. and in this day and age, he would have been sued for saving his own show. thing is, those two guys lightened up and began to laugh, though he had called them all kinds of names and made severe criticisms of them. Comedy is nine parts humility.

or look at Jamie Kennedy violate this woman's poor sensiblities about her professional life and he even verbally sexually assaults her: HE ROASTS HER!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITBfwhp8XMY

and oh my god, Jamie Kennedy is all about breaking every race and gender boundary he can,.. but he doesn't actually think people are inferior. that is the point.

To me, stand-up comedian is a dying breed. just like professional voice actors, because now every hollowood arsehole wants to voice a cartoon because comedians started to.

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:33 pm
by raum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q8LxO4wnCQ


Chris Rock on the subject.

now imagine a white guy saying the exact same thing. think that will ever happen?

not likely... and that is why white comedians are handicapped. BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO FILTER THEIR CONTENT. it doesn't matter what the filter is, it doesn't matter how they feel about they filter. it is a creative filter.

Do you think Chris Rock ain't sittin there thinking how to challenge that filter while he can? He honestly says he racially profiles.

If I laugh at this and I am white, am I a racist? Or do I simply think he is funny, because he draws an absurdity that extreme to the spot light with him?

now, check this out: great comedy. sincere. no need for heckling becuase he is taking them through his routinue flawlessly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUHG4pQKW3w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVcewBMzknY Offensive! Derogatory! Brilliant!!!