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I'm really happy guns of any sort are pretty much illegal where I live and great difficulty is required to obtain one. To say nothing of the improbability of getting a handgun.

I haven't spent much time in gun-happy countries. It's not like you can fire it in your backyard or house (basement target range) can you? Regarding personal protection, which I presume is why you'd carry a concealed handgun, doesn't everyone have one? Has there been a time you could pull the gun out, NOT fire it and get out of a threatening situation?

Not bagging. Just wondering that if you pulled a handgun out, won't everyone else do the same? It's not like where I live. If you pulled out a gun, its guaranteed no one else has one and everyone would run off screaming. End of threatening situation.

Add to that, the act of waving a gun around itself in public would pretty much have you behind bars, regardless of whether you fired it at someone or not. For this I can only say I'm thankfull.

And where is it you live again..?

The Anschutz .222 bolt action antique is a preferred weapon for freelance snipers both for impeccable accuracy, and lack of servicable serial numbers. The majority of the barrels were made nonstandard, so tacking down ballistics to one is often hit or miss, as all you can see is the calibur. If that is the weapon you have, I'd not let it go. It is not only a solid basis of a fine collection, but a very capable weapon for precision operations. The Mod 153 is still used in rooftop support on counter terrorism raids.

QUOTE(zaphodz @ Jan 2 2007, 11:23 PM) I'm really happy guns of any sort are pretty much illegal where I live and great difficulty is required to obtain one. To say nothing of the improbability of getting a handgun.

What a simple and concise way of saying you do not trust either the integrity or intelligence of the people who surround you.

QUOTEI haven't spent much time in gun-happy countries. It's not like you can fire it in your backyard or house (basement target range) can you? Regarding personal protection, which I presume is why you'd carry a concealed handgun, doesn't everyone have one? Has there been a time you could pull the gun out, NOT fire it and get out of a threatening situation?

At my mom's house, we can fire a weapon in the backyard no problem,.. long as its aimed away from the house and the street. And NO, I would not carry a handgun for general personal protection. Quickest way to get yourself killed. I *MIGHT* carry one in the car, but in a triggerlock or burnbox. For personal protection, I'd rather have a Benelli M4 Super 90 semiautomatic 20 guage shotgun, with Ghost "open rifle" sights. This tactical weapon with a unique inertia driven mechanism delivers 10 customized 20 guage loads in 2 seconds, including aim time of 3%. The optional recoil compressor stock adds 30% accuracy, and buffs the shot less than a rifle stock. This is lock stock and barrel, a crucial part of the Marine's arsenal for urban combat. Besides, I can custom magazines for 13 shot loads. AND IT's LEGAL.

The reason for BEARING arms is because in America, at ANY TIME, the need to operate in an unregulated militia may occur. Our constitution makes provision for it, and mentions it as one of The People's most important powers and rights afforded our freedom, earned with blood, bravery, and bullets. People who do not fight for their freedom should not enjoy it. I own and bear firearms because I am FREE to do so, not because Hollywood makes it look cool, or Kanye has clever rhymes.

QUOTENot bagging. Just wondering that if you pulled a handgun out, won't everyone else do the same? It's not like where I live. If you pulled out a gun, its guaranteed no one else has one and everyone would run off screaming. End of threatening situation.

If I pull out a handgun, someone is going to die. Empty promises and threats are not made of steel.

I have several handguns. My old standard is the above-reference Browning Hi-power. It does not have the adjustable sights, but was (and still is) extremely accurate. My latest baby is a Para-Ordnance 14-45 LDA. .45 caliber, 5 inch barrel, light double-action trigger with a 2.5 lb pull. It too is extremely accurate and the one I usually carry with me. I also have a Taurus 24/7 .45 cal. It's good for concealed carry, but not too accurate beyond 10 yds. My son (smartass06) has a S&W 9mm [he used his own money for me to purchase it for him. It's in my possession and he will not have true ownership until he's 21]. It needs some minor sighting in, but it does have adjustable sights, so that shouldn't be a major issue. It is a pain in the ass to field strip though; much harder than the others I have. My wife carries a small 9mm in her purse. Not much accuracy at any distance to speak of, but she mainly carries it for the deterence aspect.

This is not to mention of course all the long guns I have as well. If the apocalypse comes... I'm ready.

I'm going to have to look into that Browning, that's 2 sterling reviews from folks I trust..

A bit off topic, but the best part of the Miami Vice film was seeing that .50 sniper rifle tear those cops to shit...I saw in the film extra's, that the rounds travel up to a mile before they loose trajectory...That's some awesome shit right there...

I also saw a Modern Marvels special on the shotgun, which is probably a more realistic purchase for me...

QUOTE(AYHJA @ Jan 4 2007, 07:27 AM) I'm going to have to look into that Browning, that's 2 sterling reviews from folks I trust..

A bit off topic, but the best part of the Miami Vice film was seeing that .50 sniper rifle tear those cops to shit...I saw in the film extra's, that the rounds travel up to a mile before they loose trajectory...That's some awesome shit right there...

I also saw a Modern Marvels special on the shotgun, which is probably a more realistic purchase for me...

I went to Point-Five-Oh school, and we shot through walls to Heat Emanating Devices on the other side while looking at them in NIF-T vision.

The first guy to convert a .50 cal to single shot, and mount a high power scope on it is the guy who came up with the motto "One shot. One kill."

I'm not 21 so I can't legally by a gun yet, but I love hearing all these reviews. My dad owns some old guns (don't remember quite what they are) and I love going shooting with him. When I turn 21 I'm definitely going to grab a couple guns just to have. I'm thinking about a .9mm Beretta but as Ty said, that Browning is getting some good ratings here. I still have a couple years though

QUOTE(trashtalkr @ Jan 4 2007, 03:16 PM) I'm not 21 so I can't legally by a gun yet, but I love hearing all these reviews. My dad owns some old guns (don't remember quite what they are) and I love going shooting with him. When I turn 21 I'm definitely going to grab a couple guns just to have. I'm thinking about a .9mm Beretta but as Ty said, that Browning is getting some good ratings here. I still have a couple years though

If you must have a Beretta for your first gun, try a Beretta 87 instead. The original 1986 model is a .22 semiautomatic, and the new 87 Cheetah is a longer single action 10 round load. Both are excellent practice pistols, fully adjustable, and wonderful first handguns.

Your first handgun, whether revolver or semiauto, should be a .22 that is low maitenance and fully adjustable. when buying a gun, make sure you get a trigger adjustment to accomodate a 2.5 to 3 lb action. This really should be considered part of the "real" cost of the gun.

You could prolly get your dad to get a Beretta 87 for you, and pass registration to you when you come of age.