An eye for an eye?!

#11

A couple of points:
The eye for an eye thing was to *limit* the amount of damage. Prior to that, people would kill. I hope, as we advance, we can get beyond such things.

"Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord". I agree that the punishment of God was swift - but He actually *can* judge the sinner. We humans have to worry about the planks in our eyes before we can see the specs in our neighbors.

The Old Testament, especially the Pentateuch are full of bloodshed. The new, except for a few martyrs, is not. For non-Christians, this is not an issue. For Christians, this should give one pause for thought. As one progresses through the Bible timewise, the amount of bloodshed perpetrated in a Divine cause continues to drop. In fact, most of the latter Bible is God smiting Israel for it's sins...and only after a great many warnings going on, at times, for generations.

Also, why is swift judgment better than slow? I mean, its actually worse in many ways for the criminal. It seems to me, the worse the crime, the more deliberation should be taken. Even when "everyone knows" who the killer is, many times "everyone" is wrong. It wasn't too long ago that everyone "knew" that Blacks were inferior and Whites were the superior race...

#12

Good point- due process- but at some point due process runs ots course- in our day and age due process is repeat over and over and over- the evidence has spoken and the Death Row inmate gets 50 appeals- a little much dont you think??

I'm all for public drawing an quartering, showing how painful punishment is

An why not kill murders, rapist and pedophiles- society needs to get past it... There is a difference between murdering and killing (especially for the greater good IMHO)

#13

^ Indeed... ^

"They say an eye for an eye, we both loose our sight, but at which point does one fight..?" - Jay-Z

Who says rap music isn't good for the mind...

#14

Love Jay-Z

most rap is useless though IMHO

#15

I agree with simply shooting those who can not be redeemed. I don't believe torture ever does any good and it harms the torturer more than the tortured. It certainly harms the society because it cheapens the value of human life. I believe that compassion is the most difficult and misunderstood of human virtues and certainly one of the least practiced. My belief is that compassion is the fundamental understanding that other people have as much right to exist as you do. It lies at the heart of the Declaration of Independence and the Gospels. Most profess it but few practice it. There is value in all human life - even the thief and murderer. I would shoot the murderer not out of vengeance or to deter others, but simply out of the sorrowful realization that there was no other way to stop him - even more so with pedophile. But if I could cure and redeem them, I certainly would.

#16

^^^ Good explanation

I agree with it and definately dont always adhere to it- especially the compasion part when people are just being idiotic towards others

All life is valuable but IMHO once it crosses over and tortures , ends (not a lawful punishment- ie murder,etc), demeans, inhibits, neglets- it (or they) lose their value

(ie You neglect your kids, beat your wife, rape- your value like stocks and bonds just bit the bullet and maybe they should too)

#17

They say an eye for an eye, we both lose our sight/
And two wrongs don't make a right/
But when you've been wrong all along and it's just one life/
At what point does one fight?/

(full version of that Jay-Z lyric /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />) MOST RAP IS NOT USELESS. IMRO (in my right opinion). Most of the stuff the majority of America thinks is rap is useless (IMRO /:D" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt=":D" />)

About eye for an eye-

Christ clearly supports pacifism over retaliation. But, as Shaine Claiborne notes, turning the other cheek is not "giving up." It is simply fighting back with love instead of violence. You don't turn the other cheek as you stare at the ground and wince. You look your enemy right in the eye, holding a steadfast stare of unconditional love. This is the most powerful form of combat.

#18

A definition, some scripture, and all undertones implied...

Vengeance

Pronunciation: / ven-juhns /

Function: noun

1: infliction of injury, harm, humiliation, or the like, on a person by another who has been harmed by that person; violent revenge

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Ezekiel 25:12-17

12 "Thus says the Lord GOD: Because Edom acted revengefully against the house of Judah and has grievously offended in taking vengeance on them,

13 therefore thus says the Lord GOD, I will stretch out my hand against Edom and cut off from it man and beast. And I will make it desolate; from Teman even to Dedan they shall fall by the sword.

14 And I will lay my vengeance upon Edom by the hand of my people Israel, and they shall do in Edom according to my anger and according to my wrath, and they shall know my vengeance, declares the Lord GOD.

15"Thus says the Lord GOD: Because the Philistines acted revengefully and took vengeance with malice of soul to destroy in never-ending enmity,

16 therefore thus says the Lord GOD, Behold, I will stretch out my hand against the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethites and destroy the rest of the seacoast.

17 I will execute great vengeance on them with wrathful rebukes. Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I lay my vengeance upon them."

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Tough love is implied in our mandate people...

#19

QUOTEturning the other cheek is not "giving up." It is simply fighting back with love instead of violence. You don't turn the other cheek as you stare at the ground and wince. You look your enemy right in the eye, holding a steadfast stare of unconditional love. This is the most powerful form of combat.

I totally agree

#20

QUOTE(œbermensch @ Apr 16 2007, 10:02 PM) Tough love is implied in our mandate people...

I wanna take you down, until the morning light
Why don't you come around, and let me treat you right
I'm the one who gave you what you'd never had
You said I should be gentle and be good, but hoped to hell I would be bad

Chorus:
I wanna take you, baby gonna make you gimme tough love
C'mon and please me, take your time and tease me, gimme tough love

I tie you to the rings, I feel your fever rise
We love to do the things that others fantasize

And then you smile and bring me to my knees
But when I try a gentle lullabye, I swear I hear you sighing please

Chorus - tough

I never knew how much I needed you till now
But now I know, and tonight I'm gonna show you how

(instrumental break)

And then, I smile and bring you to your knees
And though I try a gentle lullabye, I swear I hear you sighing please

Chorus - give it to me

Gimme tough love, tough!
~Kiss- Album- Revenge

I'm a Firm beleiver in 'Tough Love'