Apology

#11

Thanks for the read, raum.

#12

Indeed, as always great information...

Robert E. Lee on slavery:

The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things.

How nice of 'Marse' Robert...One thing is for sure, he may have been more humane, but he didn't feel that his servant was a man like him...But his vision is impeccable, I've said many times there is no greater place in the world to live than the U.S...So my view of slavery, at least in my case, is somewhat skewed, as I am a realist...

And I can' speak for other races suffering slavery...And even though history could lie, the fact remains still that negros were sold into slavery, transported to America in the most vile way possible, split up from their families, identity stripped...

What happened when they got here is that they probably learned to make the most of it...Not all slave owners were probably lethal whip bearing masters...But they could have been, and it wouldn't have mattered...What is taken from a people when slavery happens is often irreversible damage...

IMO, its like someone taking a priceless item and flinging it into a black hole...Replacing that is impossible, so in a sense, what's the apology for..?

Why are natives the only ones given reparations is all I want to know...

#13

I think because we had legal agreements with them that our government broke so they have a basis for suits. Plus genocide. But the paper is what does it I think.

#14

Robert E. Lee on slavery:

Ayhja, quote that in full, or at least link to it...

QUOTEThere are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influences of Christianity than from the storm and tempest of fiery controversy. This influence, though slow, is sure. The doctrines and miracles of our Savior have required nearly two thousand years to convert but a small portion of the human race, and even among Christian nations what gross errors still exist! While we see the course of the final abolition of human slavery is still onward, and give it the aid of our prayers, let us leave the progress as well as the results in the hands of Him who, chooses to work by slow influences, and with whom a thousand years are but as a single day.

and yes, he also said:

See his statement as saying "slavery is an uneccessary evil which hopefully man should be free of soon, God willing." He further states "Whites should not be absolved from the horrors of slavery just because it is practiced in Africa." His calibur of slavery was it was a state from which every man was to be free as they cam to understand Christian virtue, and it was man's place in the advancement of his fellow man, by God. This is why he set his slaves free, and this is the reason they stayed at his home and at his side.

Robert E. Lee was a military man, and he believed dicipline, obedience, and even punishment were the means by which one refined the measure and character of a man. He felt that as he profited, so did the slaves he essentially refined into a functional component of the Western civilization.

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How nice of 'Marse' Robert...One thing is for sure, he may have been more humane, but he didn't feel that his servant was a man like him...But his vision is impeccable, I've said many times there is no greater place in the world to live than the U.S...So my view of slavery, at least in my case, is somewhat skewed, as I am a realist..----------

He honestly did believe they were men like him, when God made it so. And until then, he treated them with the respect you treat an employee capable of one day having a business of their own. He felt it was part of God's plan to move the people of Africa to Christiandom.

Also, of note, do not cofuse the term "Marse" with a term of cruelty. Master is not a cruel term, it is a term of distinction; it was simply Polite to say such a thing. It is the origin of Mister, which we use in polite formality. It was in the South a note of respect, used in good faith as well. It was not a "call him master", it was a mannerism employed between men who respected each other. Also note it was free man that called him "Marse." The same way to this day I call friends and coworkers "sir", not because they own me, but because I hold them in the same regard as a "fellow". it is the evil heart that seeks the ownership of his fellow man.
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QUOTEWhy are natives the only ones given reparations is all I want to know...

Natives are given reparation for being driven from their land which they purchased. Unlike Special Order "40 acres and a mule," which kicked people off of their land with military force, and set up a place for the blacks freed of slavery. Many of those kicked from their land didn't even own slaves. It was simply not feasible to create a "blackmerica" after the issue of secession was still an open wound. and by, the way, it doesn't promise a mule.

The main reason reparations are not given for slavery is simply because until the 13th amendment, slavery was legal and considered civil.

So, ask yourself this: is this about blacks being "repaired", or descendants of slaves being "repaired"?

I hate the delusion of "race" entirely. Culture is one thing, but "race" is nothing more than people excluding other people from the dignity they singularly hold for people "akin" to them. "Natives" act like tribes didn't slaughter each other, and make drums from their hides. "Blacks" have the sole distiction of being able to still parade a history of slavery. "Jews" act like they never committed genocide...

This is why I still hesitantly answer the race question, even with the word "HUMAN."

All of human history is a bloodbath of greed and ambition.

#15

You got that right...

This is why I don't make much of this kind of thing...I have a good life...I have not consciously been a victim of oppression than I can see...There's nothing in my way preventing me from doing what I want to do...So, whether or not slavery was right or wrong or something that should be aplogized for, who knows...I personally don't feel it makes a difference...Like I said, the minute someone starts talking about cutting minorities slack, the shit hits the fan...And this stuff ain't ancient history, wasn't even that long ago we could not attend the same school...

Slaves and descendants of slaves have been denied very basic and simple things in post reconstruction that are still felt until this day...Apologizing for slavery is just ridiculous...It is universally too big of a blunder to try and fix, and too much to be understood...

#16

We need to apologize to each other for being descended from humans and cut each other slack. I suspect our descendants will be just as ashamed of us (they ate meat? They burned gas? Savages!) as we are of ours. But they were all tough people who lived and loved through tough times.

#17

QUOTE(Adtz @ Mar 30 2007, 09:07 PM) We need to apologize to each other for being descended from humans and cut each other slack. I suspect our descendants will be just as ashamed of us (they ate meat? They burned gas? Savages!) as we are of ours. But they were all tough people who lived and loved through tough times.

way to kill the thread, adtz /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

#18

I posted the same one at myfoxdc.com, click the link below and read the comments by those who live in "OUR NATIONS CAPITAL"

#19

fixed it..........

#20

Noone is resposnible for the sins of their fathers and fore fathers.... my take on it GET over it. I may be crass but my forefathers forefather may have had slaves but has no bearing or relevancy to this day and age or my life.

We must learn from their mistakes but paying off , reparatinos or apologies for something someone else did from us is retarded.