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I never really said that you wrote that, just that you beleived it.
and sorry for the sarcasm but that post written at rivals.com was ridiculous.

trust me illegal inmigrants arent plotting to take over america they just
want a better life for them and their kids.

the moldy bread strory was as much of an exageration as that other story, my point was that this is something that works both ways...

even if they are illegals, people are more than happy to exploit them.
people dont seem to mind when they clean their house, mow their lawn,do hard labor, build houses, take care of their kids, pick their trash, go fight on their wars and pretty much do all their dirty work, yet they whine about how they are nothing but leeches to this country.


and sorry i didnt know this was a "did you know" thread, it just semmed like a "hate" thread to me...

and when did i blame america? i said just the truth, that the goverment is the one who wants illegals for their cheap labor... its good business for them.

Who cares.... Illegal is..... well...... Illegal... No if's ands or butts

The 'they do the jobs others dont want to do, they're entitled to education, healthcare, non discrimination, is complete and utter BS...

Did I mention their Illegal PERIOD

Go Home and become an immgigrant

The US is the melting pot of the world LEGALLY


Lawbreakers should be thrown in jail (or better tossed back, too, plus their kids tossed back (NO FREE EDUCATION, NO FREE HEALTHCARE, NO FREE LUNCHES); all Border crossers should be shot (ala TRESSPASSERS)

I couldnt give a rats ass about your 'Hispanic' is a whatever.

The Legal Hispancis (ie US Citizens, Immigrants) are productive, tax payers, etc. Those 'Hispancis' I'd give my shirt too (and any other Ethnic US American Citizen, or other here LEGALLY)

ILLEGALS GO HOME FIX YOUR OWN FUCKING COUNTRY

That my boy is not racist, nor is this article (Illegals suck 8.3 BILLIONS dollars of California coffers alone, overcrowd classrooms, overcrowd US jails, overcrowd the Hospital and Medical system, over crowd the population), just the plain facts.

All the Illegal Immigrant causes (support groups, MoveOn, ACLU, Illegal Immigrant Support League, Union)hide behind the poor us, poor me, discrimination, their exploited, they do shitty jobs, they get paid .2/ hour, they send money back too help Mexican relatives , its rasicts IS COMPLETE BS......

AGAIN
Did I forget to say its ILLEGAL....

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ITS (They're) ILLEGAL

Ok...nice graphics... altho, sadly they didnt convince me to your point of view...

the real BS i find is that ppl in america are more than happy for (illegals) to do all their dirty work, yet they bitch and moan about how they are ruining the country. thats just a double standard IMO

ok good they are illegals, then kick'em out, but dont exploit them and give me this fucking bullshit about how "they are taking away our jobs, wah,wah,wah!"

anyway im a US citizen will you give your shirt to me? also the kids of illegals who where born in this country are also US citizens will you give them your shirt to them? or how about a son of a lllegal inmigrant whos fighting in iraq... will you give him your shirt?

also what i was talking about what a "hispanic is" is about another issue besides illegal inmigration.


and what you said about how they spend all that money is true. but what you fail to mention or understand
is that they save even more money with their cheap labor. why do you think the goverment allowed them to cross the border? becouse they care about them? no, becouse their cheap labor is good for the economy!

consider first of all that theres only 4 or 3 percent unemployment rate in this country, now lets say and we do what you want and we kick all the illegal inmigrats out of this country, whos gonna do those jobs? the 4% of people unenmployed? they are not enough to cover the demand, we do that and many companies lose profitss and in return the economy suffers... thats why the goverment is making a guest worker program, becouse this country NEEDS the cheap labor so that the economy will stay strong.

Read my post...

Its illegal

If they get exploited too bad... If they do shitty jobs too bad....babies of Illegals shouldnt be made US Citizens. Its the most retarded US Policy ever.

Again read my post.... I'd give my shirt to ANY US Citizen.

Illegals cant serve in the Armed forces. I'm US Army retired. People form other countries with 'GREEN CARDS and Work Visa's can. 3 soldiers who are Latin American (Venzuala, Columbia and another) born (but here on STUDENT VISA's have died) AND have received a hero's burial

The rest of your post is 'Ted Kennedy economic BS'

I could car less if I changed you point of view- U and can foot the illegals bill (Free Education, Healthcare, etc) along with Ted 'There's NO Illegal Immigrant Problem Kennedy'

Stop wasting my taxes, my time and my country

If Illegals were gone NO money spent on MILLIONS of free education, healthacare and people not paying taxes. The jobs would be done by US citizens and 'LEGAL Guest Workers' at fair market wage (why? because the companies would have to), more paychecks for US citizens, more taxes from US citizens, less money spent on prisons, illegal immigration hearings, lawsuits from illegals demanding US Citiznes rights, less teahcers due to nonovercrowed classrooms, ER's., more US Citizens renting and or buying homes and paying property taxes and exices taxes, more auot tax revenue (ie no Mexican registerd vehicles)

GO back and study basic supply and demand, economic workforce numbers, P&L --- your math sucks

but at least your not blaming it on Bush- its DC problem (or ignored problem) for at least the last 50+ yrs....

gmsnctry, you brought up a good point; What have the Democratic Party actually done for African American and Latino American/Spanish American's of this country for the past 50+ years?






Below are a few questions left unanswered over the years that SEF does not want you to know or hear about;

1.) What has the Government of Mexico ever done for her people over last 50 years?

I say nothing but that's just me.

2.) Do Dems make sure that illegals will not be arrested or deported from Dem controlled states and in return they get their vote?

SEF would know more about this than myself.

3.) Should Americans be allowed to go to Mexico City and wave the Good Ole Red,White and Blue while demanding more free handouts without the fear of felony charges followed by jail time( most likely a life term)?

Hmmm...this one makes you think, doesn't it?

4.) Do Americans round up Mexicans and force them to come to our country and then force them to do our dirty jobs?

What, the same jobs that used to go to teenagers back when I was growing up? (Known as starter jobs)

5.) Do wax bullets really hurt?

I wouldn't know, I have no need protest for shit that I don't deserve

6.) Should Americans who state only the facts as they see them be considered as racists?

Only in PC circles spread out throughout the country?

@gmsntry

your whole post was "its illegal" my answer was, "well its also illegal to hire them and exploit them"
but hell we dont seem to mind hiring them for anything for just a little bit of money, we dont seem to mind when they do all our dirty work, we dont seem to mind when we buy cheap products becouse they were made by illegals, we dont seem to mind when they fix or build our houses for little money. oh no those things we dont mind, well sorry but you cant have your cake and eat too.

and well its always been the american policy that if you are born and raised on this country then you are an american, if you cant accept that becouse of their backgrounds then thats too bad for you.

and now im probably wrong about this and you are right about it, since you are a vet but i had heard on the news that kids of illegals have gone to iraq to give their parents green cards, now are you 100% sure things havent changed since you served? anyway ill give this one to you...

ok then, so its just "ted kennedy BS" as you put it, then since you know a lot more on economics and politics than i do, pleaese answer me 2 things:

if we do what you want and we kick em all out who'ds gonnas cover all those jobs? with only 4% unemployment rate how are you gonna fill those jobs? the teens will do it? you really think they are up to it?
and are you that sure that there wont be an economic blow? please explain in a convincing insightful way.

secondly why do you think the goverment hasnt done anythingn for 50 years and even now are making a guest worker program? do you really think that we hispanic have all that pull on politics? or do you think its becouse politicians have such big hearts that they care so much about the poor little inmigrants?

@buff

well, atleast the dems have done more for minorities than republicans, but yeah they are basically the same.

and no buff im sorry but im not here on a disinformation campaign, to prove it, im gonna try and answer your 6 points as best as i can:

1) first of all for the record, im not mexican and i never have been in mexico so theres a limit to how much I know about the problems over there, i do know a bit more on latin america so ill talk about that since not all illegals are mexicans.

now buff you do make a good point about the responsability of those countries should take and that they do have a lot of problems that they should try and fix, curroption, a lot of disparity between the rich and the poor, divisions in the countries between the indians,whites and blacks, many of this countries are heavily under developed and a lot of its resources are contrlolled by few large companies.

now its true that the main responsability of this problems lie in their own goverments however many of this countries have tried to lessen the disparity between the rich and the poor and the indians and the whites but when the people of those countries try to fix their own problems america finds that its against its own interests and puts a puppet goverment instead, places like chile and guatemala have elected democratically elected goverments that are trying to lessen the disparity of the poor and rich but since they were socialist leaning goverments america found them to be against their own interests and placed brutal dictatorships instead.

now im not saying that its americas fault, no the main fault lies on those corrupt goverments, the thing is that when the people try and fix their own countries, america at times tries to help stop it becouase its better for its interests to have weak goverments that are easier to control.

as for mexico while they try to fix their own country, the thing is that their country is heavily overpopulated
so thats one of the reasons but besides that i cant tell you anything else...

2) unlike repuiblicans? give me a break both democrats and republicans are the same, some are against it other are for it, bill richardson is known to be against it, while Mccain is someone that beleives in "Ted Kennedy's economic BS" besides (like i said before) since when the hell have hispanic become such pollitical juggernauts that politicians are suddenly become our puppets?

oh and illegals cant vote, hispanics do however, ...difference buff, difference.

3)ok good point about the flags, that if they want to show their loyalty, waving the mexican flag (or any other)is not the best way to go... the way i can explain this that its part of their heritage: the same way that the italians and irish wave their flag at times or how the south likes to keep their confederate flag or how different states have their own flag.

about them asking handouts i know we will continue to desagree but these people work like animals every day for little money, so yeah i disagree with you.

and finally i dont think it should be felony for them to cross an imaginary line just so that they can work and give a better life to their family, sure its illegal but its not on the same level as say murdering someone,
IMO (and i know you and gmsnctry will disagree) should be misdemeanor instead.

4) no, but they do advertise this country as the land of oportunity and are more than happy to give them the jobs, granted its illegal but right now it takesyears for them to enter legally and you tell me if you where an illegal inmigrant and your family is dying of hunger what are you gonna do? wait 5 more years or cross a river and try to give them a better life?

and yeah the teens are gonna do it, right... arent they to busy playing playstation 3 to do it?

5) dunno... why dont you shoot yourself and find out /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

6) you mean like the whole "illegal invasion" thing from that other forum?

no you can say all you want, its a free country after all..

i can also say that its nothing but some ridiculous xenophobic crap however...

"well, atleast the dems have done more for minorities than republicans, but yeah they are basically the same"

Are you fucking for real dude? Please name the bills or give examples of what the Dems have done for them. The Repubs are the ones who battled for their freedom. ( and no, I'm not saying that the Civil War was only over the right to slavery).


Hey SEF, have you ever been to the ER at University Hospital in San Antonio, Texas before? Well if you haven't, let me tell you about the 9,000 illegals ( $10,000 dollars per pop and if they were driven there by EMS, add another $5,000 dollars) were seen for free there in less than a year in 2006

List of freebees in San Antonio medical world

9,000 X 10,000= $90,000,000- ER visits only

9,000 X 10,000 + (4,500 X 5,000= $22,500,000 )= 112,500,000- if only half of them were driven by EMS

9,000 X 10,000 + (9,000 X 5,000= $45,000,000 )= 135,000,000- if all were driven by EMS

This is from just one U.S. city, and they still want to bitch for more.lol

I forgot to add;

The total number of Americans who obtained free health care in Mexico last year: 0 , that's right, a big fat fuckin Zero

Here's some more

The total number of Americans who had kids in Mexico last year that automatically became Mexican citizens: 0 , that's right, a big fat fuckin Zero

The total number of Americans who's anchor babies or otherwise obtained free breakfast and/or lunch at school in Mexico last year: 0 , that's right, a big fat fuckin Zero

The total number of Americans who obtained free education in Mexico last year: 0 , that's right, a big fat fuckin Zero

The total number of Americans who had kids in Mexico last year that received welfare in Mexico: 0 , that's right, a big fat fuckin Zero

The total number of Americans who obtained housing assistance in Mexico last year: 0 , that's right, a big fat fuckin Zero

The total number of Americans who obtained foodstamps/WIC/ Food allowance in Mexico last year: 0 , that's right, a big fat fuckin Zero

The total number of Americans who worked in Mexico last year and didnt pay Fed or State taxes: 0 , that's right, a big fat fuckin Zero

Total CA spends on Illegal Aliens = 8.3 - 15.3 Billion $$$ per year
Total AZ spends on Illegal Aliens = 4.2 - 9.6 Billion $$$ per year
Total NM spends on Illegal Aliens = 2.2 - 5.4 Billion $$$ per year
Total TX spend on Illegal Aliens = 8.9 - 18.2 Billion $$$ per year
(all taken from State, GAO and Fed budgets and websites)

Total Mexico spends on Illegal Aliens = 0 , that's right, a big fat fuckin Zero