Post 9/11 Retrospective...

#11

Sucks to have to admit that, but yeah. Each citizen is responsible for their leaders' paths of action.
I guess that's what they meant when they said "Each nation gets the president it deserves"

#12

And whats the deal? I mean.. Attacking their own country.
They needed so bad the excuse to attack the arabs??(don't know the term for "Oriente m†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬ ¢¢¬¢ž¢†™¢¢¬…¡¢‚¬Å¡‚©dio" in english /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />)

#13

Those videos saying that is wasn't a plane that went into the Pentegon is stupid and fake. It was a plane and it wasn't a home job. That's a bunch of bullshit

#14

There was a person on the plane that hit the pentagon, who called and left a message with one of his of the members of The Order and said "we are going to hit the pentagon." It was a passenger plane, and he called his Fraternal Superior, to let them know of this attack... which is part of a coordinated Jihad against the West.

The people who think this was a "set-up" are tremendously overestimating the ability of the government, and seem to have some unrealistic expectations on National Security.

Even the site that xen sent... the details of the speed of the aircraft. The reason the craft were not approaching too fast, is the highest hope was that the terrorists were planning on holding hostages. They had our attention from slamming the Towers, if they would have been landing at the airport near the pentagon, they could have a solid bargaining chip. It is typical of terrororists to do that, and had been for decades. Like when the preliminary attack in Las Vegas was connected to the airliner taken hostage. The "procedure" is to cautiously approach to not cause them to act in desperation and cause loss of life. Also, there is no action to take against terrorists until they are on the ground, despite what you may have seen on Passenger 51. I know this because I trained with visit, board, search, and seize teams in the Navy, which coordinate maritime actions with counterterrorism focuses.

The greatest truth in the Masonic Lodge is the seat of the hidden master is empty. Humanity is the conspiracy.

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#15

The Pentagon..."video" is loads o'fun, but as I mentioned in my other post...there must've been lots of people strapped to those missiles. I don't know where the quotes in that montage came from, so...that's as far as that goes. There are places where they show the Pentagon hit with many other details. I found far more interesting takes on this and posted them in our \"Conspiracy Theory Thread\" which deal with the passenger list, the damage to the Pentagon wall and the proposed size of the aircraft.

Adiriel, if you knew someone in that particular flight...it will either make for a more interesting discussion (assuming, of course that it's a subject we can discuss and I understand VERY WELL why we shouldn't, out of respect), or put these theories to rest, but since I don't know anyone there, nor did I experience the hit first hand, I have to take all the info. into account, and like everyone else, form an opinion...and that's all it'll be, my opinion.

Trashtalkr...if you feel like elaborating on "...That's a bunch of bullshit" you're very welcome to. I have noticed quite a simplistic tendency to dismiss other's opinions like that before, but I guess your approach, or "opinion" is as valid as anyone elses. Still waiting on that dinosaur and human footprint side-to-side deal, no rush.

Maybe I AM grossly overestimating your government...but I feel more comfortable, not underestimating it. As far as "National Security", they've met all my expectations so far.

#16

If anyone who thinks a plane hit the Pentagon is mistaken.... NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON, "THAT IS A FACT." Without going into much detail for my safety and the people I work with I will tell you that it would be impossible not to have video of the aircraft striking the Pentagon or to have other obvious physical damage. There was no plane debris left over or was their the always survivable black box. The FBI confiscated all surveillance video from the surrounding area. The Pentagon was struck by a missile, no ands ifs or buts about it. The plane that was on target for the white house WAS SHOT DOWN and if I had to make that decision I would have made the same decision but that plane was shot down. People always want to talk about conspiracy theories and what not but to have someone elses life in your hands is a hell of a decision to make. I had to make a decision like that one time in my life and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Our way of life has a VERY HIGH COST in which the majority of you will never know.

I am pissed about how I came to be here but I am happy that I am here.....

#17

Xen,

Someone in the Greater Los Angeles area, on the public register of the victims of flight 77, was a member of a Organization established as a Fraternal Mystery Tradition, not the Masons, but masonic in origin. They were returning home to California from a Meeting with a Grad Lodge of another New York based Order with a similar goal, but a different method and implementation.

I was not affiliated with him or his Local Temple, but I did know of its existence and had visited it. I would have certainly gotten to know this person better, had I the opportunity. I was down there for a regular annual convention in which all Members are encouraged to meet at a localized Body of the Order, and there is a series of lectures and a yearly focus established in the general membership, as a whole.

I, according to my obligations, can not reveal this person's civil name, gender, or Motto of Aspiration (for example, Veritas Omnia Vinci - or "Truth Conquers All" ) EVEN posthumously without their express consent. This person was not open about their membership, and that must be respected. I am no longer officially a member of this organization, but I am still affiliated with the Order, and my oaths are still bonding.

This person, who I will call Nomen Est Obscura (The Name is Hidden) actually CALLED the Grand Chiefs of the Order from his fatal flight. These men in positions of Authority in this Order are a Doctor, A Computer Scientist, a Lawyer, and others... and the calls are very emotional. They carry the weight of years of personal service to highr Thought and the bonds of Universal Brotherhood of among Living Beings. These calls are not capable of being released to the public, even the media, for it contains information senstive to the obligations one makes upon Initiation into a fraternal Order, and the meetings that were held in New York. These calls are not even openly available to all members, for they carry information sensitive to Degrees of Advancement, some of which are even beyond my own internal level of advancement in this Order. I read transcripts of the phone calls edited for my Degree while I was in this Order, and there was a formal ceremony for the sacrifice that person made.

It was essentially illustrated that this person was being called to the other side to assist with the transition of the people who lost their lives in these tragedies, as they were a High level Initiate with a Tremendous attitude that "The Reward of Love is Service".

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#18

oh, by the way,.. how many of you have actually seen the pentagon?

I have, my girl's brother lives in D.C./Arlington.

I have seen it, but not nearly as much as this guy...

http://www.coping.org/911/survivor/pentagon.htm

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#19

Good link Raum.

seeker, can you give us proof that the plane was not hit by a plane?

Everyone reads too much into everything. A plane hit the Pentagon and it was a terrorist attack. It's just anti-Bush ppl out there saying that it wasn't a terrorist attack just to slam him.

#20

Seems to me the link Raum provides clearly disputes anything Seeker has put forth.