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Don't do it man! Don't watch SM3 again! Are you a masochist?!?!?!?

ok,i haven't my mind. SM3 is still not a great movie. it's a movie that has great moments. it is too uneven in it's pacing & for what they did or didn't shove in it. it's got as many pros as there are cons though..

Well you're a lot more forgiving than me. I thought that movie sucked from beginning to end. It was campier than Superman III and IV but not quite as horrible as Batman & Robin. I felt so cheated after sitting through that after waiting all year to see Venom. GRRRRRRR!!! :x

Haha... I agree SM3 was pretty damn campy, with the disco dancing and all, but campier than Superman 3 or 4?? I really gotta disagree here. Superman 3 had Richard Pryor starring as a computer genious and Superman 4 was even worse with the awful Nuclear Man.

Both Supes 3 and 4 were horrible movies. The saving grace of 3 was the spectacular fight between bad Superman and good Clark Kent. Spider-Man 3 is at best, though, a mixed bag. It isn't all bad... the action sequences were still great. And upon a second viewing, I actually liked it better - though it still has a lot of faults, as Jig mentioned. Too many storylines intertwined without enough exposition on any of them.

it's a lot easier to find flaws in a movie fans had huge expectations for so i'll start with the:

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• Spidey 3 suffers from too many boring & unecessary moments involving MJ. the fucking movie could've been named The Problems Of Mary Jane Watson. i am not adverse to having a love interest in a action/comic movie..as long as it doesn't take away from the main point ,which is good storytelling & balls-to-the-wall action. nobody cared about her crap. people were just annoyed as allfuck by it. look,i understand that comics are serial by nature, but this shite was just soap opera & not dramatic operatic.
• That fucking flying sand cloud! WTF?! that's a bigger insult than the storm cloud that was Galactus in FF2. Sandman hasn't got powers like that. ditto for him turning into King Kong.
• Lame plot devices like the butler making everything better with Harry using a few short words. to be fair, unlike what most fans & critics fail to realize is that he was in the 2 installments that preceded & tried to warn Harry about being a fucktard (implying he knew something) in movie # 2. also there is: Using the same reason for the Final Battle over & over again: How many fucking times are they gonna use the baddies kidnapping MJ to force a showdown with Spidey?!? they shoulda left that lameass scenario for dead after SM2.
• the Spidey swinging through the city CGI took a step backwards & looks pretty fake. probably cos they didn't have John "Star Wars" Dykstra along for this one.
• Too many villains = too many characters to service. see Batman & Robin for earlier proof. Bane was treated like a stepchild.
• having Topher Grace constantly unmasking (ditto for Spidey actually). he did ok before being bonded with the symbiote, butt after.. c'mon! fans were paying too see Venom. not the constant face reveal. Venom was only in the tail end of the film & he unmasked 4 lousy times. i blame that on the studio hiring an actor with a bit of name recognition. they probably figure "fuck it we're paying Grace a lot of dough so let's get our money's worth & show every bloody chance we can"
• Toby was a fat fucker in 3. everytime he had a scene i couldn't help notice the double chin & gut peeking tthrough. dude shoulda hit the gym beforehand. it's Spider-Man not Spider-Flab! when in costume u could see he was sucking it in.
• Not servicing characters you'd set up in previous films. Doc Conners was around since 2. we coulda shoulda had The Lizard instead of Venom (who deserved his own flick). that's not Raimi's fault though. blame Avi Arad for forcing Venom & Gwen onto Sam after production had already started. same goes for Betty Brant at the Bugle. if you wanted a foil or new love interest for Parker, you had the smokin' Elizabeth Banks already around since movie number one. there was no need for Gwen whose saga they already milked the best bits out of in the original flick (the Goblin bridge drop) by replacing her with Mary Jane. no need for Ursula either even though the scenes she had with Pete were cute & funny.
• SM3 was overly long. it fely like the filmakers were trying to cram 2 movies in one.
  
  [center]PROS[/center]
• Most of the fight scenes: The opening vertcal fight scene between Pete & Harry was fucking awesome! as was the slugfest at Harry's pad later on. as was the crane save of Gwen & the armored truck fight. seeing Sandman slug Spidey with his sledgehammer fist was vintage Lee/Ditko Spidey.
• Great plot devices: how does one get around the Secret Wars storyline where Spidey picked up the symbiote? simple: have the alien crashland aboard a meteor near to where Spidey is. no mess no fuss. sometimes the simplest answers are the best ones.
• having Emo Parker was camp,yes. but it was well-placed camp tongue-in-cheek & was funny as a muthafuckah! at least there was a reason for this campiness. those other movies mentioned earlier by DL1 had no excuse.
• J.K. Simmons as Jonah Jameson equally owned the funniest parts of this movie. as did any of the Bugle scenes.
• James Franco stepped it up a few notches & ran acting rings around his co-stars instead of his I-Am-A-Piece-Of-Wood performances from the first 2 films. you can visibly see he was relishing being a cad in this as evidenced by his "i'm the other man" scene in the cafe & that smile after Toby splits.
• the uddate to the Goblin paraphernalia was better than that ludricious helmet that Dafoe rocked. as well as that coolass hoverboard.
• Origins: a nice comtemporary update on the Sandman's beginnings with the fusion instead of it being atomic. you cannot deny that the character putting himself back together after the accident did not raise the CGI bar. even moreso than Transformers. also staying true to the source material is the 2nd half of Venom's origin by having Spider-Man ditch the suit in a church tower with help of the church bell sonics (& having said sonics play a part in his defeat) & as a timesaver,having Eddie Brock below damning Parker so the symbiote bonds with him straight away. once again,simplicity saves the day

there were a couple more good bits i wanted to list..but i seem to have forgotten them since i woke up. i was gonna do this last night, but i was so tired after the Spidey fest & cleaning the gutters prior to that i ended up crashing right after 3 ended.

at the end of the day, Spider-Man 3 will never make my top 10 (or even 20) of comic boook flicks but it's also neither one of the worst. see the aforementioned Batman & Robin,Superman III & IV,Elektra,Generation X,Daredevil,both versions of The Punisher & Blade:Trinity for that. SM3 is an uneven piece of filmaking that had bits of greatness within it. i'd like to curse Laura Ziskin & especially Avi Arad (this guy needs to stop interfering in Marvel's business & die) for forcing all the wackness that it contained on Sam Raimi,who did what damage control he could with what he had. i suspect those idiots meddling made Raimi sabotage the movie but tried to make it look like he wasn't doing it on purpose from recent interviews has given.
'Nuff said ;)

Well I agree with all the cons and about one or two pros. The alien landing near Peter was a way to explain the symbiote fine. Although I woulda rather seen it came from John Jameson from one of his space travels and given to Curt Connor for study and then Peter working in Connnor's lab comes across it and it bonds to him because it senses his power. And the Sandman origin was very well done. That was it for me. Hated every other frame before and after. Mighta been Arad's fault I guess. Just seems like every time a superhero movie gets to number three Hollywood decides "hey lets lighten up and make this one kinda funny" and fuck it up every time. I swear it's the old 60's Batman show ingrained into these Hollyweird birdbrains.

Sir Jig-A-Lot wrote:i honestly believe that if Arad & Fony hadn't interfered, Raimi woulda knocked it out the box. look at Spidey 2 where he ha complete creative control. IF IT AIN'T BROKE,DON'T TRY TO FIX IT. as for your scenario with Jameson,Conners & the symbiote, it sounds kinda cool. i wouldn't have minded seeing the Man-Wolf & The Lizard. that scenario could've been a cliffhanger ending where the alien bonds with Brock & the cut to credits..

Yes! Now that woulda been cool having Spidey having to fight a werewolf and a werelizard at the same time on two different fronts. Coulda wrapped that up and shown Brock being Venomized by the end of the movie for part 4. Yes yes if only..

i like sin city out of all the movies. Maybe i like it cuz it's the only comic movie i haven't read. but i also think it has to do with jessica alba