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Kumicho wrote:That's speculation on your part, and assuming none of us is naive to a fault, I'm sure we know that...

Ty, top be frank, I am helping pay more than 25% of the taxes for this country. I SHOULD BE making good money. I am finally becoming materially stable. I have not, even in my childhood, gotten dollar one from a social welfare system! I have not ever had someone pay my way, not even my parents. As a result, I have not been able to go to college, been held back from a doctorate, and frankly by the skin of my teeth been able to make more of myself than a smart weird retail clerk. I am trying to invest in myself, cause now I have never EVER been able to get social welfare, and if I don't - no one out there will take care of me.

And if he is cashing checks too large, and the rich won't pay them, then the "middle class" will. I have a relatively good living, by following MY convictions, pursuing MY dreams, and risking MY future. I think the reward of living your own way forward should be something you have the right to dispurse. That is what more people should do, engage their own life like it is a process of discovery, not a cage of security!

But here is the issue aside, either he has to REALLY increase taxes, or REALLY cut back spending. What is he gonna cut out? I worry this about McCain as well. but obama proposes 317 Billion, instead of 52 Billion administration.

On the other hand, it's what McCain is proposing that scares me...

some things McCain proposes cause me to have caution. But let's hear yours!

All those questions you asked about Obama, raum, I bet you can't answer them all for McCain and Palin either, yet, I don't see any call to see that information as well...Why not..? Why we gotta see Obama's record from Columbia, and not Palin's from one of them 6 stints at school...Why doesn't that, for example, bother you as much..?

I want to see hers as well, but I tell you, her record, of maybe a few people who want to secede from the lower 48 is hardly as damaging as having been a member of a Communist Party indoctrinated at a young age with Socialist ideas! And she isn't writing the budget! HE SIGNED ON WITH A COMMUNIST PARTY!~ If you don't know what that means, then fine, but damn - I thought we already agreed the essential liberties denied in communism are what makes America great.

Here is the simple point: I think socialism and liberalism are dangerous for this country. Both of these men are liberals of a different color. McCain's plan, however, is more conservative. Obama's plan is a kamikazee flight, where we might not have enough money to land before it runs out. IF he were a Peaceful president, maybe, but he is not. If he were not shifting ideas even now, as he recoils on the abortion issue as of yesterday which FINANCIALLY impacts his budget, I'd feel he has more conviction. I feel he is a good man, with some good intentions - I have known Socialists, and they are ok people. I know some now. I want none of them to ever have a thing to do with politics of Democracy.

Kumicho wrote:Unanswered questions..? Like what Buff..? What do we need to know about Obama...And don't know...That we've known about every president hopeful before him..?

I want answers to everything we're not allowed to ask of him because some folks seem to think it's racist to question his past, his convictions and past relatioships and etc. Also, if it was McCain who had a past connected to Ayers no matter large or small, he would've been torched by the media and everyone here knows it.

Do you know what? I was gonna leave this bit of Common Sense alone cos I gave some of you too much credit you'd figure it out for yourselves: Do you honestly think if the Ayers connection was a threat in any way,shape of form that the NSA would have cleared Obama when he ran for senator? Much less prez?. Common fucking sense & the law in your country. Or if you want to take it back to the source, Ayers himself, Do you really think his university would grant him tenure of any kind if he was so dangerous?. I think not. All this Ayers brouhaha is just the McCain camp reaching as they had no personal dirt on the man. Use your heads,people.

So your telling us that if it was McCain, his judgement would not come under attack?

It's not just Ayers, there's a whole list of people in his past that shows a pattern of bad judgement.

Do you remember Sen. Trent Lott? He lost his job for making kind remarks for the 100 yr old DEM senator who happen to belong to the Dixie party back in the 40's. His judgement was questioned. It seems only the DEMs get a pass (like Sen. Bryd formally of the KKK)
We could go back and forth but what's the point? Your boy will win and it will be like 1976 all over again.

"All this Ayers brouhaha is just the McCain camp reaching as they had no personal dirt on the man. Use your heads,people."

You might want to check your sources, it was Hillary who first brought this up.

Yeah & it was McCain who recycled it. Clinton was reaching too. It matters not who brought it up first. It holds no water.
Obama (or anyone else) would never have been cleared to run if any of his associates were deemed dangerous.
Do you now not trust the NSA or the Secret Service,buff? If the answer is Yes, then all of America's politicians should be thrown in the clink now along with those who cleared them for office.

It's not just Ayers, there's a whole list of people in his past that shows a pattern of bad judgement.

And again I ask: How was he cleared for senator? :?: Or presidential cantidate?

Jig-A-Meister wrote:Yeah & it was McCain who recycled it. Clinton was reaching too. It matters not who brought it up first. It holds no water.

Um, I actually brought it up before McCain did. Because it was in the Wall Street Journal. I am not saying good people can't know bad people. I want to know WHAT Obama's economic influences are, more than anything. Liberal tendencies to spend outside of our REAL means based on measuring inflation as income is killing this country. Most Americans can't even cook themselves a MEAL for fuck's sake. What ever happened to the spirit of the American? Entitlement and welfare have destroyed the economic integrity of our country, and the fact is most people are still in nurture expectation mode. I flip a coin to go to Japan every day, and with the housing market collapsing, my possibility of homeownership seems more unrealistic everyday, though I make a good living with a great company in a vital industry, and have decent credit. If I had a degree and better grasp of the language, it'd be a two-headed quarter.

Carl Davidson said that domestic terrorism didn't work, so the only way to go is economic ruin and inflitration of govt. He stated that it would be embraced under the title of Social Democracy. I think that this has happened for decades. It is easy to make it look attractive, but the reality is always VERY different. I mean I am now suspect here among my friends, for still believing in EXACTLY what I believed in before. did you forget I criticized Bush for his liberal excesses after 9-11 as well?

Obama (or anyone else) would never have been cleared to run if any of his associates were deemed dangerous.

Bullshit. He has hid his past, cleared himself to run, started running before anyone ever did or expects to, and spent so much money,and gained so much popularity it simply got him in the door before the door even opens. It is unprecedented someone starts campaigning so early. Then he relied on media, celebrity endorsement, popularity, racial tensions, and bush disapproval to create a storm that has left people so amped and delusional no one is asking him "HOW" or "WHAT" change he REALLY EXPECTS to enact. He poised himself for this and has so many obligations in and out and was never properly vetted. Neither was Palin, and I will admit it.

Seriously, all of the people who made this a public spectacle should be ashamed. They still have less official policy revealed, and no contigencies. Guess cause it is not Must=see TV or catchy youtube video material. They have made political enthusiasm a damn monster truck rally with more sensitivity than a goddamn episode of dr phil!

Get Oprah out of my fucking politics!

Do you now not trust the NSA or the Secret Service,buff? If the answer is Yes, then all of America's politicians should be thrown in the clink now along with those who cleared them for office.

Hopefully they will koc him if he gets too far gone like ritzy fitzy. I'd pulled that switch on prince W, were it mine to pull; BUT IT'S NOT. Sure 41 is a larger number than 33 and the eight greater is a big difference... but to me the oath is stronger than the blood, and the country is a manifestation of the oath.

NSA was people-eye on Obama but got pulled off long ago by higherups including judge Stevens from the supreme court, who just delived a blow so tremendous, you know he'd make a motion to make heroin legal if Obama needed a fix.

Then he backtracked on FISA-NSA, guaranteeing them a greater power in either administration, so they are paid for. Buh-bye 4th Amendment!

And yes MOST American politicians need a deprogramming of liberalism. and alot should go in the clink or in the drink. People have forgotten our constitution is there to PROTECT THE PEOPLE FROM THEIR GOVERNMENT!!!

It's not just Ayers, there's a whole list of people in his past that shows a pattern of bad judgement.

Well, not really,.. not bad judgement just for knowing them. it's the degree of influence they have had on him I suspect. I want him to speak about when and how Frank Marshall Davis introduced Communism, Marxism, and Socialism to him, and what his previous and current feelings on them are. I want to know if he has a belief we have a right to overstate our national assets in order to achieve ideal state of living and quality that is more important that our economic soverignty.

i want to know if he will sacrifice global or national spending before resorting to excess taxation, if just proportionate taxation does not all for his budgetary demands.

And again I ask: How was he cleared for senator? :?: Or presidential cantidate?

For Senator, He was:

at least 30 years old.

a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election to the Senate.

a resident of the state one is elected to represent in the Senate.

That is the only vetting one needs for eligiblity as a US senator. It's a state vote, and most vote from state senate candidates. States make their own requirements.

But really, being eligible for a senator is not the same as being eligible to be president. If he were running for Senator, being born in Kenya is a moot point. They also do not create the national budget, or even the state budget. he has no successful bedgetary experience, and no one seems to care. So fuck it? I buy jackboots and get an Obama armband like everyone else? Like I said, he went for campaigning before he ever got the go ahead, and started months before anyone else and still cannot account for the excess of funding he started off with.
He has had policy changes to ensure anyone who brought scrutiny his way got well paid off. Typical dirty Chicago politics. Being related to the Mayor of Chicago (The bootleggers related to Big Bill Thomspon are my mom's ancestors. Murray "The Camel" Humphries is my dad's.) from the prohibition, I speak with knowledge of that fact.

You know Chicago supported Hitler right? i mean politicians, the tribune, the people, EVERY ASPECT. They were part of America that needed to be rallied to war against the Right wing Socio-Facist Axis Powers, with "completely unstaged and unprovoked" attacks on Pearl Harbor. They have a LONG history of support of socialism, where really being a left wing or right wing socialist is more of a civil debate than suggesting moderation and conservativism. Even after wwii they advocated SocioFacism is the party of peace, and began plotting the "civil rights movement."