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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:16 am
by theseeker
so in ur opinion why are we there?

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:45 am
by raum
ultimately, because we have this idea its important, and the reasoning of why has changed over and over.

it was important to have allies
it was important to get the nazis out so we could have allies
it was important to help them declare independence
it was important to make God happy, or something
it was important to make sure they all use US dollars and base this economy on us
it was important to declare freedom worldwide and prevent humanitarian crisis
it was important to help prevent our allies or the victims of a humanitarian crisis
it was important to defend our allies so that humanitarian crisis never happened again
it was important to attack our enemies so our allies knew we were acting in their interest
it was important to make sure our enemies didn't get rich even though we gave them money
it was important to make sure God was happy because the end of the world was coming
It was important to attack our enemies before they attack us so the end of the world is prevented
it was important to attack our enemies after they attacked us so they would never attack again
it was important to attack our potential enemies before they were our enemies, just to be be sure
it was important to have allies,... (the cycle repeated in 1967, at this time, and the circle continues)







it was important to

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:51 pm
by theseeker
Sad to say but the second to last one is funny but so, so true....

it was important to attack our potential enemies before they were our enemies, just to be be sure...

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:56 am
by raum
and at that time, it was necessary, unfortunately. We suspected some Soviet war planning, from our former allies, that we had "mysteriously met on three fronts through other conflicts. We decided a prememptive and clandestine strike on a location that had not disclosed to NATO or the UN.

That preemptive strike was the first time PUBLICLY the US was criticized by the United Nations. But...

That's how we kept the Soviets from nuking us, and the reason we set up the "mutually assured destruction" policy. The policy was worthy of its acronym M.A.D.

At first, we thought our continent was safe, and then the Soviets launched Sputnik. That revealed ULTIMATELY the true goal of man trying to put a man on the moon. If man can hit the moon, he can hit anywhere on earth. We never had to be told it. When the Soviets achieved shooting a missile into space, we knew ultimately, the race for weapons supremacy was on.

This was official kick off of the Cold War which was based on that secret stockpile of nuclear weapons, and we found out Sputnik was just a test of the delivery system, and a exploration for Uranium, which was believed to be rare, and possibly from outer space.

THE SOVIETS HAD ALL OF SPACE AND TIME AIMED AT US. and we would have never known...

if nothing, that speaks toward the value of preemptive strike.

and it was what was on the minds of many people much older than us, when we were attacked. That paranoia of the Cold War was well defrosted by time most of us were born. We simply can not relate, because by the time of Jimmy Carter's tolerance of terrorism and anti-americanism, international violence was almost considered a legitimate diplomatic policy by countries or focus groups that lacked nuclear capacity to negotiate their vantage points. It was Reagan, before his mind went feeble with Alzheimer's, who reminded us the most deadly game humanity ever played was still going on, and the rules were getting dangerously forgotten.


...but yeah, the way I worded it, that was funny, huh? :wink:

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:21 pm
by highlife
Please help me understand...

..raum....are you kidding me? We have consistently gotten more than 80% from the US and CANADA.

Some of the oil we get from the middle east offsets our exports. Yes, we BUY oil from the Middle East, refine it, and sell it at a loss in the global market.

.. me ..are you saying we buy oil from the middle east which which than becomes ours so were actually getting it from ourselves.

...raum...We have more oil in Nevada than there is in the entire Middle East

...were can i find information on this.

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:51 pm
by raum
http://www.explorenv.com/home.htm

gassifying the oil shale will yield more oil than the middle east.

the DOE, who I work with weekly, knows this, which is why they captured it under imminent domain.

there is a spout to tap, that hasn't been touched since 1961.

it could flow tomorrow. others have been cored, but not drilled.

look up the whole thing in eia.doe.gov website.

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