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There is a universal right and wrong (for humans).

There is no other way we could have a concept of it..

Animals, they have no idea what right and wrong are. All they live by is 'survival of the fittest'..

With no right or wrong, I believe that would strip the universe of its purpose, no? And as C.S. Lewis said, if there is no purpose in the universe, there is no way for us to know that it didnt (think about it, think about if animals wonder about a purpose for the universe..)

I, as well, do not believe in reincarnation, I will make a thread on this..

Ah...The vague, unsupported statement...God I love ADN debates... /:D" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt=":D" />

QUOTE(DeEje)There is a universal right and wrong (for humans).

First...Define "right"...Then, define "wrong"...I think I can roll with universal, and then tell me what that "Universal right and wrong" is, so I can pick up what you puttin' down...

Furthermore, you have no proof that animals have no clue of right or wrong, even more so, animals follow rules we can only dream of doing as a species...In many ways, including a moral P.O.V., they are the standard...

I am ready...

damn u beat me to it ............lol............ i do not agree that animals hav no sense of right or wrong .........they do hav a means of communicating nd who knows wat rules the jungles live by............i do recognise the fact that animals do live by the survival of the fittest instinct but humans are no different ...................the human race is much more organized there for we some what rule the planet of earth

Anyway on the universal right and wrong bit ............i rekon there is no such thing its jus a myth .................if that was so every man who was born in a family where he was taught to kill nd rob would be considered evil in front of "GOD" no matter which god it is and that wud jus be wrong becoz of nurture vs nature concept (which i think i hav mentioned b4 )

(hmmmmmm thinkin of that why do u think there are so many different religions and cultures in the world today i think this wud be a good new thread )

QUOTEremember u can be born into the richest family in the world but u mite not hav any frends and be the unhappiest guy on earth

What does that have to do with anything??

Anyway....AYHJA, reincarnation and the afterlife are kind of based on the same principle. Reincarnation, tho, is about you coming back to earth after you die. That doesn't make sense. If you leave this world, how are you going to come back. The afterlife has to do with the supernatural which means you don't come back to this life at all. You move to a different and better life.

That's why the afterlife is better

I was jus tryin to prove that how heaven and hell can be both on earth and how the concept of karma applies to our life and our reincarnation.............. the after life is a very far fetched concept if u ask me ............. coz well as i say heaven and hell are both on earth and one more thing the after life and reincarnation are 2 totally different concepts as u urself explained ............... but if we dont come back to earth then where do our souls go ?.......... Is there another alternate universe created jus for our souls which are called heaven and hell ??

I am totally against that concept fo there is a reason that as ayhja says that energy cannot be created or destroyed nd it only changes form like from water to ice †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬…¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¦†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬…¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¦†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬…¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¦†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬…¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¦†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬…¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¦†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬…¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¦ which seems to be a very logical explanation and as I sed earlier that energy isn†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¾¢‚¬Å¡‚¢t only in animals and humans †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬…¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¦†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬…¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¦..you will find it in every being †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬…¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¦†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™¢¢¬…¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¦the trees and everything so that explains the rising population and as I sed deaths in the universe equals births in total

And the question on how we come bak to earth well u do believe in god right so he is in charge of the books and decides who goes where and well that†™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¾¢‚¬Å¡‚¢s my explanation and well same wit ur explanation how do souls go to heaven or to hell some one has to be in charge right and not that im agreeing wit the after life concept of urs im jus sayin that there is someone who is out there who watches over us and decides what we deserve nd where we go

The concept of reincarnation allows fo the fact of karma as well makes things more simple well not that it is simple but keeps this universe in self sustenance which is a much beta concept then after life

I do not know about animals, but it just doesnt make sense. I dont see anything to indicate that they know what it is..

What I mean about right and wrong, is that we each in our own minds are able to know what they are (for ourselves at least). If no standard existed, there is no way we could/would have any idea of right/wrong

any kind of soceity would be Catastrophically Destroyed if there werent certain rules to confide the behaviour of the beings in the soceity to a respectable level ................. such as a wolf would not hunt one of ther own pack ............and so on ...........a soceity without rules means certain Annihilation of everything in that soceity whether it be a soceity fo humans or fo animals or any other species we hav yet to know of .............
so u see it wud be wrong to say that animals dont hav rules nd principles and do not know wat is right and wrong .....................and i think you hav to be much more clearer wat u mean by universal right and wrong bcoz up till now i can only see u Contradicting ur self

To me universal means something that is the same fo everyone which cannot exist becoz of the different soceities and the different places nd situations ppl are born into and the different live styles that ppl hav to live up and that is tru that we all hav a sense of right and wrong but if you think that is universal right and wrong then i hate to be the one to burst ur bubble but thats not it ..................but pliz no offence is meant ......... anyway i wud like to know in detail what is meant to you wen u think of universal rights and wrongs bcoz u still havnt cleared that up

An absolute standard for right and wrong exists.

But we are not Lord God..

So we cannot know what it is..peep the thread on Relativism..

But it does exist..it has to since we are aware of the possibility that it might..

^^true

QUOTE(DeEje)An absolute standard for right and wrong exists.

But we are not Lord God..

So we cannot know what it is..

This is a statement that make no sense...The standard exists, but we don't know what it is..? THEN SIR IT DOESN'T EXIST, LOL...WTF..?

That's like me saying all men think about sex because we have a pussy attached to our forheads, but you can't see it cause it exists on another plane..Same logic...If what you say is "true" then any and everything is possible and there are no more things such as truth and constants...Please...

If you cannot define right or wrong ASIDE from a relative POV, how can you say that there is a universal standard..?