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QUOTESame thing goes for athletes, why do I have to be a role model cause I'm on T.V

Even if you don't want to be a role model you are. People always will look up to athletes b/c they want to be like that. You may not want to be looked up to but face the facts that kids do.

OK, trash, that's crazy as hell...

People should look to their parents as role models, or other influential people in their lives...It is both unfair and silly to give the responsibility of you and yours to a complete stranger...I grew up watching sports, and movies, and I never wanted to be like any of them...Anyone who has has a good and humble upbrining will respect "real" people as role models, if they must...

As an athlete, people are going to admire your ability, but that says nothing about your way of life...You want Kobe's jumpshot, not his decision making skills off the court...You don't know those people, I don't care how much you like them...It is hard enough to know people you see everyday, and that you can put your hands on...

If you set up a burger joint with the sole purpose of selling burgers, you are batting 1.000...If you set up a burger joint with the sole purpose of giving everyone who eats them a stroke, then you may have a problem...

A business is supposed to consider profit, and nothing else...If you are selling burgers, and it becomes profitable to start selling salads, then cool...This isn't like driving, or using socially shared things...It is totally up to the consumer what they want to buy...How can, and more importantly, who is a business to say what's what..?

I'm in this town making money, so, lets me just do what I think is best for you and your family...You know Mr. Jones, I saw you and the wife and kids in here last week, you all had deluxe burgers...So, this week, you guys have to eat our all white meat chicken nuggets...A prime selection that is more expensive than the deluxe burger, but better for your health..!

The hell guys...

What I'm saying is that people look at and follow whoever is famous. Why do you think that there are Jordan shoes and Kobe shoes and so on. People want them b/c of the name attached. They want to dress/be like the athletes. That's why you have athletes endorse products. It's not crazy...it's truth

The Jordan's I have, I bought because they were sexy and comfortable, not cause I was a huge Jordan fan...I do not idolize those guys cause I buy their shoes...If somebody had put your name on the Jordan's I still would have bought them...

And if you feel being like athletes was a solid motive...If that was true, please tell me you think everyone who has has a pair of Chuck Taylor's knows who he is...Fashion sells because of names attached, but that's not what this is about...This is about the fact that because Nike and Jordan sell so many shoes, that they need to include an extra gel sole in them for fat fucks that put them on thinking they were gonna loose weight when they tied the laces, or become better athletes...

The convo deals with social responsibility, not fashion statements...If you don't want Jordans, you don't have to buy them...This is a good example of why endorsements exist, to make profits...Good marketing says if we get this guy to endorse our product, people will recognize it, and buy it...They are asking you to buy into that false trust...

If Bob Vila endorses a ladder, and you buy it and fall off the shit, you don't sue the people that made the ladder, you are expected to know what to do with a ladder before you take it home...Should a business have to spend resources making people go to training classes before they buy the ladder, simply because a few people have accidents..? Of course not...

I think its important that we all look at what we consider socail responsibitly to be. Socail responsibitly is more then just giving back to soceity in forms of free services like rescue services and so forth but acting in a more socailly responsbile manner. Example of this would be a factory operating near a river not to let the waste from production flow into the river and pollute it but rather contain the waste so it does not do damage to to enviroment or does minimal damage as much as it can prevent without there being a law around that stops them from polluting. It is very improtant to note that socail responsibleity is very different from legal responsibitly.

However with the subject of the athelets, these sports stars and movie stars are in the public eye always regardless of whether they know it or not. The smallest decision they make could have relentless consequenses on a boy who is young and Vulnerable and wouldnt know better. The fact that cigarettes are so popular is because it is shown in movies to be the way to be cool. And these high profiled people like businesses do need to be more socailly responsible.

Take the Micheal Jackson trials thats going on, how many people wanted to be just like him, the way he sings and the way he dances and so forth and people looked up to him and well depending on the outcome of the trial it would be viable to say that there would be many broken hearts of the ordinary people and there are many at this moment just based on the Allegations on him and i dont want to get into that but im just trying to show how small decisions of these high profile people make could result in a child being forced to re-think about everything.

The fashion thing is totally of the topic but however if Jordan has a good public image he would have more sales of his shoes and if he was caught doing something grossly wrong then the sales would plummit which shows if you are not socailly responsible in this age and time then you might not be able to make profits at all. Jordan having a good public image is a reason for the shoes even selling.

But guys, if we're going to call these people high profile, simply cause they're making a living, then that just doesn't click...I don't like any excuse for people to have a reason to point their fingers are somebody as to why their kids are fucking going into schools and shooting kids...

Hey, I got an idea...Lets go sue K-Mart..!

What a crock of shit..! No celebrity is going to raise my kid man, and if it does, then that means I have been a shit parent...

A factory openining on a river with waste issues goes beyond a social responsibility...That is an eco responsibility on top of a health issue...I didn't think that was what we're talking about...

A social responsibility is just that, social...If I am the owner of the city's NBA basketball team, is it my social responsibility to MAKE the players attend events and sign autographs for kids..? Yes, that's a cool thing to do, but it should not be mandatory...Why the hell do I need a pro basketball player to say no to drugs, like what he says is going to override anything else my parents say..? Like I know the dude, and can actually trust what he says...

As a part of a business, do you guys feel it is right to tell people what they should be doing, and what they should be eating...Simply because they are more famous and/or have more money..? Absurd M8's...

A business is just that, a business...Not a social system...Fame nor fortune is not a good indicator of how to live life, and you don't learn that from strangers...

ok, the phone has gone off the hook,

I gotta get some of this.

Ayhja, man, I hear what you been saying, but I gotta give ya a early birthday present, man. Here's your foot, happy chewing, mind the tongue.

Yo, the "social responsibility" is not to expand the menu, and has nothing to do with that. McDonalds has served salads since day 1. They were more expensive becuase it was not cost effective. They threw a lot of shit away just to make the salads for the customers when they wanted them. Their prices for salads, however, were never what they were known for. They are cheaper now, cause they throw less away.

besides, McDonalds is subhuman fare as far as food goes. Their social responsibility is well seen, in the youth centers, orphanages and scholarships,.. but they have been guilty of false advertising. I will break this all down in that way. And like it or not, the best damn burger you ever ate was in Gay Ville San Francisco, from the oldest diner in the Bay, and you will never EVAR top it. So quit acting like you give a fuck about a Big Mac. I KNOW BETTER.

Now, as far as Nikes, I hate them, and think they feel like shit. I aint put a nike on my feet since like 86, when you could only find them at Pay-Less, and they came in three colors. It aint like wearing a shoe, its like pumping your foot full of some bad drugs... RBK will always win out, it feels solid. Shit, give me some roos instgead of nikes. i will velcro New Balance on my ankle before i lace up a jordan! i still got nothing for love for ADIDAS and CHUCKS (converse to you yungns) period.

But about endorsements. Do I (as a coach) have a right to make my players attend events, sign autographs, and be pinnacles in their community. HELL YES. They are not just a business, THEY ARE HEROES. The arena sports are the pinnacle of focus upon human beings and their accomplishents. Should they be role models, no. should they be expected to have a little responsibility for their actions when on the field or representing the club, ABSOLUTELY, now wadys its in the contract. That's the only reason they get paid the money they do. The belief in the fucking game.

If not, how many of you guys are really gonna pay 50 dollars to go watch some guys throw balls around and wear short uniforms. Not me, I gotta tell you, I can watch women play forever, but men,.. people got to get hurt to keep me interested.

Plain and simple if those guys did not give a fuck about ANy of their fans, their fans would not give a fuck about them. I know I talk about it all the time, but look at what that "it's just a business attitude" did for baseball. The sport is fucking laughable, and more of the merchandise is given away than sold. They make less than they ever did before they went on strike, and they ripped the heart out of the game.

These games, and the heroes on those fields have a tremendous trasdition to uphold, and if they refuse to, fuck them for destroying part of our heritage as Humans and lovers of sport and competition.

Shit, I was so disgusted I quit watching almost all sports. I even talked with you about this. Actually, I prefer college ball, ANY KINDS, as it tends be hungrier... as they play for the chance to play for millions, and know if they fuck up, they get to work in merchandising and distribution, for less than 60k a year.

Now, the ladder. If you think you can easily work on a ladder without training, you were probably shown how when you were a kid. i trained people on ladders in the Navy. OSHA standards require people KNOW what they are doing, not just THINK they know.

Another thing, you can act hard all you want, I actually have a professional relationship with you, and I know what kind of work standard you demonstrate, and your loyalty is certainly not just to yourself.

As far as parents accepting the responsibility, I completely agree, and defer to you, as you ar a parent I am not.

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but they have been guilty of false advertising

Would this contitute Mcdonalds being socailly irresponsbile while advertising its products, I would think so. As it can do better as now it has turned to adversting on a more neuteral terms by advertising more of their salad meals then they did before and not only because salads are more popular but it allows people to see a choice they have when buying at mcdonalds and weigh out their desires on what they would like to buy, so basically Mcdonalds is being more socailly responsible by allowing the general public to see that they have a choice and that they need not buy fat filled burgers at mcdonalds which promotes obesity.

Socail responsibilty is not only giving back in forms of charity but while operating their business evaluating how their actions would benefit society as a whole and then acting on that and trying to figure out how they can do minimal damage to the enviroment ( used in a broad sense .... enviroment includes nature and society as a whole )

I'm just not understanding how if I open a business, I am expected to cater to everyone...If you open a rib shack, with the purpose of selling ribs and rib fixings at the most...

You run a clean establishment, it is not enviromentally unsafe or disturbing...

I can't just sell my ribs, cole slaw, and dinner rolls..?

I am socially irresponsible if Mr and Mrs Suchandsuch come to my rib shack everyday, eating all kinds of shit, get fat as fuck, and want to sue me cause I didn't have a damn alternative to my ribs..??? An old man and his wife come in arguing about he shouldn't be eating pork, I overhear it, and he pays me for a rib basket, I am socially irresponsible if I serve it to him anyway..?

I chose not to donate to the local girl scouts, and I'm unethical..? As the owner of a small business or two, I say the only responsibility I have is to be fair, and treat people like I want to be treated...And to make my living...

Giving to charity is a fiscal responsibility, and should be shared by everyone, not just business...

Why put a business in the position to determine what is beneficial to society as a whole, and on what grounds..?