The Dirty on Michael Moore

#11

^^

And that's whats up...

#12

They found loads of weapons, yes...but not the Nookuler kind, the kind that would bring about the end of civilization, which I believe was the reason for Team America to go in. Not the original reason, of course....but who cares? Bin Laden is sooooooo like, last season.
But seriously tho, I still stand by my point, I realize the kiddies have orders to follow and an honor code to uphold...but I fully disagree with misusing that stance for reasons "unclear" AT BEST.
If they are so intent on killing anyone just to get at one US troop, that kinda reeks of a fanatical disdain for "evil", and really...who in the "upper U.S." right now can point fingers at that concept?.
I just don't see how much longer the US can go on placing dictators, arming and training their minions, and then acting all outraged at "atrocities" commited by "those nations". Seriously, I know that the publics' attention span is conveniently short, and it might be profitable to keep the cycle going, but I also think that there's a lot of farm boys and minorities going down in this little charade, and that takes a little bit of the fun away.

...as for Mr. Moore? I rather watch him than watch O'Reilly and they are both COMPLETELY full of shit. Has anyone even bothered watching "Celsius 41.11"?, factual?...maybe....fun? hell nah, but I sat through it, goddammit!.

#13

There are a whole bunch of fuckers like that around

#14

10-01,

There was massive ships movement, sponsored by the UN, from Bahrain, to ??? We have no idea what was on those ships.

I have been to Bahrain, and know most of the ships that port there are ammo ships, many of them with nuclear holding capacities. I saw a ship on another pier, and asked what it was loading, because I didn't understand why it was alone on the pier. "I was told it was frozen meat and dry goods." I was a gunners mate, on an ammo ship,.. and I saw them with my own two eyes loading missile fins on a ship and what we call "other indistinguishable cases."

To be fair...

My own ship was no better, two of our holds were fitted for nukes, but they were no longer in use for it. You would have never known, we carried a designation as a "refrigeration vessel" carrying mostly food stuffs. I honestly don't know if they had nuclear weapons, and don't care.

While I was in Bahrain, I was serving President Clinton, who had no animosity toward anyone and forwarded the country's reputation as a humanitarian force. He was no warmonger. I was a trained Security Team Leader and Trainer on a military vessel, and per my military instruction, I built orphanges, restored kuwait, delivered books to literacy programs and sacrificed my personal promising carreer to do what I believed was neccesary to save the environment, even when it resulted in severe punishments. This was in exchange for them allowing us to retrieve our sister ship, the Rueben James which was "damaged" as the first strike of the Al Qaeda. This was in Ramadan of 96.

At the time, Iraq was busy trying to gauge the Al Qaeda, who had just shown up on the scene, and they were moving mad amounts of gear. We urged peace with the group, because we had a president who wanted no wars staining his legacy, and an idea that the group would tame down if allowed to stabalize themselves within the population. As I said before, this was years before invasion, but i find it hard that they had no weapons all this time.

I think it more likely that the UN assisted in movement and dispersal of gear, to avoid a escalation of war. They have done it in the past. Look at Kazakstan, Yugoslavia, Kosovo... the list gets bigger.

Why were they trying to blow us up??? Plain and simple, they were ignorant and carry a racist and national hatred that knows no mercy for their children of their own villages. They would rather see them all dead than tainted by Western culture and values. That is bullshit, and has little place in a world where we all live on the same rock.

Personally, I think the idea of countries is rediculous, as this planet is just a large body of water with a mote of dust in it... and with a bunch of organisms scrambling to claim what ever parts it aren't completely submerged... Its annoying and has no basis in fact that country is sacred; but i don't make the rules.

These terrorists are like children who have only known abuse, they have no idea of happiness that does not include killing those they resent. They are taken when young, and their impressionable minds are programmed with hatred and after training with no consideration for human life, these operatives are sent out with no good intent for anyone. They are not even trained to save each other's lives?> What kind of sense does that make?

People give their children willingly to these organizations because it fosters a false sense of "willingness", and thus they can cultivate "pride" in their child's future, when it is very bleak, and not at all in their hands.
This is a terrible fate, and instead of facing that (which just got you killed), they would act as though their child was being deemed "worthy" of a great purpose. They did this so they would not go mad with despair that their baby was stolen to be programmed to kill even his mother if neccesary. I know this because I spoke with them, during Ramadan, so I can earnetly say I felt they were not lying. I spoke to children who were afraid of being "chosen for service" and to parents who were racked with sobs one minute, and then gleefully announced "my son is soldier as well," though they could not hide the sorrow in their eyes.

Again this is back before anyone guessed at the Al Qaeda's strength.

Not many U.S. ships ever got to see Iraq at that time, when the Al Qaeda first came into power. My ship arrived first and was there the longest... because we were the ship that hauled the wounded Rueben James all the way to Guam, where it was fixed. I am one of less than a thousand Americans who can say we saw this from the beginning. My ship was the Shasta, if you care to examine my claim. You may find my ship's record of movement kinda *incomplete*, though.

Disclaimer:

Just because I was in service to the U.S. Navy, it does not mean I approve of all aspects of government... Truth be known, my favored political scenario is a Planet-wide, benevolent Monarchy.

meditate on that before you reply... keyword, BENEVOLENT.

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#15

According to the prevailing belief system in the forum, we all live under a benevolent monarchy. Our problem, or at least mine, is those who claim to be second in command, who unfortunately DO see countries and not areas, they see outsiders and not neighbors. Worst of all, they claim they can spot evil, and know how to get rid of it. Herein lies the "meat and potatoes" of this issue (emphasis on "meat"), those sent to vanquish evil, and those who don't question said decision.
QUOTEPeople give their children willingly to these organizations because it fosters a false sense of \"willingness\", and thus they can cultivate \"pride\" in their child's future, when it is very bleak, and not at all in their hands.
yes indeed they do.

The only difference I see in this East-West debate is...Soldiers here are willing to \"die for their country\", but \"they\" however...are encouraged to do so, for them...it's win/win. The confusion raised at how this has all developed is that, many now question \"why am I here?, really!\"...but for them, it seems pretty clear still. \"Evil\" has invaded their home, and it must be eliminated, the cost is irrelevant. Just like a mirror of the Western politics, those on top have different interests, but the blow-up dolls don't need to know that, they have a purpose to guide them.

QUOTEThese terrorists are like children who have only known abuse, they have no idea of happiness that does not include killing those they resent.
Even them "Qaidas" were useful at some point...so much so that you shipped weapons AND instructors to get rid of "commies" and what happened after they did the job? Afghanistan was left in ruins, soviet tanks are still littering the streets, personal mines still active in some parts...
I hope they got a "thank you" for it, at least. I'm guessing "thank you" was as far as it got, judging from how fucking angry these assholes were when you got there.

My problem has never been with the armed forces, sure there's a few "bad apples", but who tha fuck here can point fingers at someone for having some form of prejudice, stemming from pure ignorance?

Were there WMD's? according to most, no (but you are absolutely right, those of us that read what we can are only getting that, someone else's version)...was that the reason young'ns were sent there?...well the stories have shifted to at least 3 versions on the "why" so, I tend to be suspicious.
I call 'em as I see 'em...and I see parallels in these crusades. I don't buy "making the world safe one heathen-nest at a time" as a believable campaign.

Your words seem to come from a person that has not only grown, but expanded...and now can look at the past from a perspective that few of us have...and most likely, never will have. Just like when a child grows up, chooses his own path and in the process realizes how flawed his parents are and how misguided his old peers were...but they have to grow up first, because during childhood, it's a bit harder to achieve being an individual. I get the feeling that some families, are better off by having black sheep in the flock, they usually turn out not to be sheep at all.

#16

Hi's a Idiot...