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the worst thing about MACs is they employ inapproriate metaphors make computers more like "desks"

it was at one time an effective means of giveing "the rest" a way to interact with computers,.. and consequently most people have a computer, a computer they know jack shit about. and they have greatly limited the interface models.

for example, i used a GUI model on my primary monitor that was based around a esoteric model developed by Pythagoras and elaborated by Jewish mystics, and used even this day by crytographers. no one else could use it without prior knowledge of the basics of the information components, which included color theory, number theory, letter substitution, and geometry.

Basically:

white = user defined file categories
Yellow = system and input controls
Red = media and displays (output)
Blue = documents/ spreadsheets etc.
Green = applications and settings
violet = games and exercises
Orange = networks and external storage
black = "pending deletion"

you have eight "colors" and those each had settings that allowed you to do things like "make most recent default."

there was no mouse involvement needed outside of the applications. infact you could navigate the entire information structure with four (user defined) keys, which I opted for a. m. s. and t. (fitting perfectly in my left hand on a sidways turned keyboard. N... made his the arrow keys.)

but i know not all people have studied thiskind of stuff, and some I have taught enough to navigate the system in as little as 2 hours of real-time, my resources were less taxed on my cpu thanj using a "desk-top", ad i could finish 8 hours of work about 30% faster just by eliminating the metaphor of "going to get the file" and carrying it arond the computer. The metaphor doesn't work because it patronizes the human intelligence and limits their understanding of what they are dealing with to the "paper trail" that they are suposedly replacing. This means most productivity is due to replication and transmission time. Retrieval and Positioning time (time "getting and moving files" accound for more than 20% of the time on a computer. And if there was a STANDARD information sequence for positiong, (word files Automatically go HERE, spreadsheets all GO HERE,.. etc.) you would increease productivity by at least 15%. you could make "user defined folders of shortcuts or copies to the files.

here is a valid information structure for finding files: most companies now use it

FILE FORMAT/ YEAR CREATED/ MONTH MODIFIED/ WEEK READ/ Filename.

basically, this was the quintessence of the file.

all files not accessed for (user-defined) months are archived, and compressed.

i tested a friend of mine, who is above average in intelligence but no prior knowledge of the interface, and he picked it up in about thirty minutes, and got up to speed on working with it within a week, and could work faster.

the only thing i was upset about was i couldn't find a monitor that could actually be comepletely utilized. Information isn't processed visually in squares, ya know? CIRCLES. i eventually abanded the model becaue i had to configure everything to fit in thememetic structure i was using, which is the basis of most advance at and math theory.

pythagoras was a genius.

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raum

Well, I read your entire post and could have summed it up a little better Rauma-roo......

*clears throat*



APPLE SUCKS!!



Now wasn't that easier?

Sadly, all raum did is state opinion with a bit of fact mixed in. For that matter, it was mostly about iPods too. Sure the iAudio which I HAVE heard of can play a bunch of file formats, however, they would not sell FORTY TWO MILLION iPods if it was an inferior product.

Who the hell needs more than MP3, WAV, AIFF, and protected AAC? Re-encoding is simple and iTunes will do it for you for the only other semi-popular format, WMA. If you just use a drag and drop external HD scheme, users will get confused without proper documentation. iTunes has straightforward options to import music onto the iPod. EVERY SINGLE PERSON I KNOW WHO HAS AN iPod LOVES IT. There is not a single one of them who just "likes" it. There is not a single one of them who doesn't like it. They ALL absolutely love it. And half of them don't even know that Apple makes more than just an iPod. One of my friends got a scratch on it out of the package. I went with him back to the Apple store. The guy looked at the iPod, saw the scratch, and gave him a new one on the spot. No questions asked. They just wanted the original package and materials in the package and the receipt as proof of purchase. Just as simple as that.

Proprietary hardware is not bad at all. That's the reason that Windows is harder to use in some cases. You install a new video card, you have to install the drivers for full use. You install a new mouse, if it isn't the standard scroll wheel mouse, you need to install a driver to use anything non-standard effectively. Proprietary hardware allows Apple to not worry about instabilities with drivers once all bugs are fixed (prior to a product's final release). What do you need to install? Mouse and keyboard software to get full use of the mouse and keyboard. That's about it. Because of proprietary hardware, EVERYTHING WORKS NICELY.

Err, people were comfortable with their previous OSes too, so I have no clue what you're talking about there. They started out with the first operating system marketed with a GUI (notice how I didn't say first OS with a GUI, because that would go to Xerox). People have loved Apple for quite a while, however, Windows took over and Apple ended up with a smaller market share. With Jobs as CEO, Apple was never bad off. To this day, OS X is one of the most user friendly, yet one of the most powerful operating systems, combining a friendly user interface like Windows has and a powerful command line with BSD roots. Windows continues to have numerous security threats while Apple gets some occasional ones.

An OS inspired by Pythagoras IS NOT MEANT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, simply put.

And about the little pseudo-quote about leading the online music market is simply mindless babbling. Since when does the music not work on an iPod? Last time I checked it works very well on the iPod.

If you're going to criticize screwing artists over, don't fucking blame a single company, no matter how bad or good they are. Blame the fucking RIAA. They get over half of the profits of music sales last time I checked. Don't give me bullshit about exploiting artists when artists get royally fucked over by the RIAA taking all the cash because they "regulate" the industry.

Honestly, I use a PC on a daily basis. I use Linux all the time. I own a Mac and a PC running Windows and sometimes Linux. Don't think I'm an Apple fanboy, seeing as I use my PC more than my Mac. I'm just fucking sick and tired of people who continually criticize Apple when they haven't used Apple's product thoroughly at all. Every single fucking product I've used in the past few years coming from Apple is nothing but a quality package, whether it be hardware or software. On the other hand, plenty of companies release absolute garbage (see XBOX360 screwups... the system has so much power and potential, but they didn't release it in a quality package... they instead release it with numerous bugs). From the low-end iLife Suite to the high end Final Cut, Aperture, Motion, etc., Apple continues to deliver a quality package from all that I've seen.

All I ever fucking ask for is a non-biased opinion, but people like RIMFIRE right now decide to come and say "Apple suxs teh cock, yo." (I know you didn't say that word-for-word) when they probably haven't used the product aside from maybe screwing around at CompUSA. So many people do it because all they know is Windows and if anything's different, it's bad. I leave people alone if they can provide a valid response to why they don't like it. However, not a single one of you has given me a valid response from actually using it for an extended period of time and having things you don't like about it. You're never going to like EVERYTHING from a product, but what appears on the outside (first few times using it) may disappear when you see the inside (when you use it for an extended period of time).

For the longest time I hated Apple because it was what my friends led me to believe, because they all had Windows and having something else wasn't the cool thing. Then I thought for myself, hence "Think Different." I live my life by that phrase, not because I support the company, but it's the truest two words put together in my opinion. Transcendentalists had one thing right, which was to think for yourself and not abide by society's shit standards. I look at people around me. I see white kids trying to act like what they invision a black person to be like, a gangster type person, the image modern popular rap puts forth in many cases. Hey, let's talk about how hard my life is while in the background I have two Lamborghinis with about 20 chicks with huge asses waiting for me. I see emo kids who wear black and think about how no one likes them and all that bullshit because the music puts forth that image. They need to look the same way, just to be fucking attention whores and nothing more. And it's true because I know a few of those people and that's how they are. Hey, let's complain that no one likes me because I put absolutely no effort into making a single friend all through school and now I'll befriend the other idiots that did the same thing. Fucking give me a break. Think for yourself. Do what you think is right, not what everyone else wants. Think different. There's a reason my friends are a minority in society, because every single one of us couldn't give a shit about the current fashion, the current music, or all of society's so-called norms (they should be called society's lows, nowadays). And in all honesty, if it wouldn't fuck over my future in many ways, I'd beat the living shit out of almost half of the people I see everyday, just because their constant conformity with such bullshit pisses me off. The attitude they "need" to have is just fucking shit. And I would honestly take pleasure in doing so. I love how the top 20% of my class are more of the ones that know how to think than the ones that conform. It's so beautiful how it proves that doing what those "conformists" do has absolutely no positive effect on their life at all.

If you made it to here, yes, that was a rant by the end. Honestly, go hate Apple if you want, but do so with more reason than what you may hear or what's different from what you're used to.

obviousy you didn't see the humor in my post........

hey teh,

you just don't seem to get it. you peresume because you were once on the i hate mac bandwagon without knowing a goddam thing about them, as you admit, you presume I am. In fact, you just further seem to reinforce you think I am on that same bandwagon. I'm not. I am a professional Information Architect.

I already said it is not their products that are the primary reason they suck,.. its their philosophy which you just said "is a great way to go at the idea." Hey, it's corporate facism, and illegal.

but so is copyright infringement which originated with the name of the company, all the way to present day. Their entire metaphor for a GUI is the beginning of what i find wrong with modern computing. so, by all means TO ME, they suck. Not to some elusive club. just like to me, QUERTY might suck...

also you started talking about EMO and xBOX 360, which i am vaguely aware of EMO as some kind of music that didn't exist when i was in school... and you seem to lost me there.

and its great everyone you know who has an iPod loves it. wow that validation by the masses is exactly different than the condemning by the masses.

and FUNNY how I posted critigue by a MAC loyalist. not the enemy.

but you know what,..

let's look at some of you "informed" ideas... being that you are still in school and have such a total new idea of mac now you have one:

QUOTEEvery single fucking product I've used in the past few years coming from Apple is nothing but a quality package

EXHIBIT A:

http://www.petitiononline.com/appleSOS/petition.html - a petition created by apple loyalists due to faulty power cords

On January 15, 2003, a string of 80 Discussion Board posts on Apple.com of complaints regarding the adapter cord were removed by Apple representatives, suggesting an attempt to quiet any suspicion of a possible defect. Was there a Mac in your house at that time? There was in MINE.

EXHIBIT B:

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2005/04/28.9.shtml - infringement of name

Lessee, that's Tiger, iTunes, Apple, AppleMusic, iPod why do you think they refused to disclose how much they used to lobby against copyright infringement laws?

they still refuse TO THIS DAY to disclose a record of charitable giving, which is illegal.

but LET's go DEEPER.

I am a professional. Computers are used to achieve. They are TOOLS. I ran a business, ith a heavy focus of data-architecture. Excel was the main platform for ALL business years ago.

MACS are miserable for data. ok, they have pretty pictures, and the sound quality used to be far superior,.. but not anymore.

Do me a favour and prove me wrong; get on a mac- and rend a client model in access with full crystal report functionality, and launch it as a exe bound to a url that logs the isp to a report sent to the EIA, to show full dsclosure of market intent, and disavow allegations of market manipulation. ideally we will use this to make it a iSales risk management system,.. and integrate it with some VB. I had so many people try to convince me they could do it on a mac, and people who tried to, though I specified USE A PC, and they were so SURE a mac could do it, and sometimes they could get close,.. but then it assed ot, and I paid them out of my pocket... and fired them.

You have no fucking clue what you are talking about, you are talking about how Apple makes a good tool for certain things, in a personal or eductational setting, I use computers for business, and Apple gaining a market share in the business sector forces inflation in a way that is soley profit-driven and provides no new jobs while simultaneosly inflating operational costs, and fulfills no need for the economy. Plainly put, they leech the system - i.e. they SUCK.

in fact, GUI suck, when i am work.

They are computers for people who need to draw, not who need to compute. They retard the process computers are supposed to streamline. EVERYONE knows this, and it is the reason they WILL NEVER be an industry standard outside of marketing and presentation capacities.

run autoCAD on a mac. run visual fox pro (used by the govt for db).

I'm glad you realized thebandwagon only heads one way,.. but I have had more exposure to macs than you, before you, and I am unimpressed. I am thinking about going to get one, on clearance,.. because it is nice to be diverse. but I still think they suck.

As far as the RIAA sucking... that wasn't in my statement.


Now, if you will excuse me,.. go on about racial sterotypes and EMO and Xbox. I have work to do.


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raum

QUOTE(raum)hey teh,

you just don't seem to get it.  you peresume because you were once on the i hate mac bandwagon without knowing a goddam thing about them, as you admit, you presume I am.  In fact, you just further seem to reinforce you think I am on that same bandwagon.  I'm not.  I am a professional Information Architect.

I already said it is not their products that are the primary reason they suck,.. its their philosophy which you just said "is a great way to go at the idea."  Hey, it's corporate facism, and illegal.

but so is copyright infringement which originated with the name of the company, all the way to present day.  Their entire metaphor for a GUI is the beginning of what i find wrong with modern computing.  so, by all means TO ME, they suck.  Not to some elusive club.  just like to me, QUERTY might suck...

also you started talking about EMO and xBOX 360, which i am vaguely aware of EMO as some kind of music that didn't exist when i was in school...  and you seem to lost me there.  

and its great everyone you know who has an iPod loves it.  wow that validation by the masses is exactly different than the condemning by the masses.

and FUNNY how I posted critigue by a MAC loyalist.  not the enemy.

but you know what,..  

let's look at some of you "informed" ideas...  being that you are still in school and have such a total new idea of mac now you have one:

QUOTEEvery single fucking product I've used in the past few years coming from Apple is nothing but a quality package

EXHIBIT A:

http://www.petitiononline.com/appleSOS/petition.html - a petition created by apple loyalists due to faulty power cords

On January 15, 2003, a string of 80 Discussion Board posts on Apple.com of complaints regarding the adapter cord were removed by Apple representatives, suggesting an attempt to quiet any suspicion of a possible defect. Was there a Mac in your house at that time? There was in MINE.

EXHIBIT B:

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2005/04/28.9.shtml - infringement of name

Lessee, that's Tiger, iTunes, Apple, AppleMusic, iPod why do you think they refused to disclose how much they used to lobby against copyright infringement laws?

they still refuse TO THIS DAY to disclose a record of charitable giving, which is illegal.

but LET's go DEEPER.

I am a professional. Computers are used to achieve. They are TOOLS. I ran a business, ith a heavy focus of data-architecture. Excel was the main platform for ALL business years ago.

MACS are miserable for data. ok, they have pretty pictures, and the sound quality used to be far superior,.. but not anymore.

Do me a favour and prove me wrong; get on a mac- and rend a client model in access with full crystal report functionality, and launch it as a exe bound to a url that logs the isp to a report sent to the EIA, to show full dsclosure of market intent, and disavow allegations of market manipulation. ideally we will use this to make it a iSales risk management system,.. and integrate it with some VB. I had so many people try to convince me they could do it on a mac, and people who tried to, though I specified USE A PC, and they were so SURE a mac could do it, and sometimes they could get close,.. but then it assed ot, and I paid them out of my pocket... and fired them.

You have no fucking clue what you are talking about, you are talking about how Apple makes a good tool for certain things, in a personal or eductational setting, I use computers for business, and Apple gaining a market share in the business sector forces inflation in a way that is soley profit-driven and provides no new jobs while simultaneosly inflating operational costs, and fulfills no need for the economy. Plainly put, they leech the system - i.e. they SUCK.

in fact, GUI suck, when i am work.

They are computers for people who need to draw, not who need to compute. They retard the process computers are supposed to streamline. EVERYONE knows this, and it is the reason they WILL NEVER be an industry standard outside of marketing and presentation capacities.

run autoCAD on a mac. run visual fox pro (used by the govt for db).

I'm glad you realized thebandwagon only heads one way,.. but I have had more exposure to macs than you, before you, and I am unimpressed. I am thinking about going to get one, on clearance,.. because it is nice to be diverse. but I still think they suck.

As far as the RIAA sucking... that wasn't in my statement.


Now, if you will excuse me,.. go on about racial sterotypes and EMO and Xbox. I have work to do.


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raum
Somehow, I don't believe the whole thing about you being what you are, seeing as you don't seem to know the difference between MAC (Media Access Control) and Mac (Apple's computer). But whatever, I now fully understand why you don't like Macs, something you didn't make completely clear in your last posts. I meant no harm by any of it, but you honestly weren't giving any real valid reason. In case you didn't realize, you're talking about specialization of computer use, not general use. Of course there will be situations where there's an OS that can't do shit and you need one or another to do it.

The whole RIAA sucking part was simply because it's kinda inappropriate to be saying something about a company that isn't doing anything near what the RIAA is doing to screw artists.

And there was nothing about me personally stereotyping a race. I was talking about a common stereotype that people around me seem to believe. I'm fair about races. I don't hate races. I may have a tendency not to like people from a certain race, but it has nothing to do with being racist.

And yes, the iAudio does seem very nice, but I simply think Apple has the iPod almost perfect in most ways.

Forgive me if I offended you, but as you've seen, I get pretty pissed pretty easily over people saying shit about Apple because 99% of the people haven't used one in the past 5 years. And you really didn't prove anything about using one much, if ever, in previous replies. However, your first comment was pretty uncalled for in the first place. If I posted the news, I obviously wasn't asking for "who hates Apple?".

But, sorry man. Didn't mean to offend you. I don't speak to offend. I speak to disagree when I disagree. There's a difference.

1. i don't care if you believe i am what i say i am. i have nothing to prove to you.

2. i was not nearly as focused about this as you presume. i was making a statement, which is true. how you can question me not knowing what a mac is, when it is in all caps is rediculous. if we were talkng about networking and wireless technology, i might be inclined to speak of MAC, but do you mean in regard to the modem, or the router. i was speaking the word MAC in ALL CAPS to EMPHASIZE IT. My job, incidentally, has nothing to do with networking, MACS, macs, or anything you have likely heard. i will gladly give you an email tomorrow, and you can read my title of the sig check the coporate certificate on the email, and see where it comes from. you can even call my private corporate line n the sig, and check and see who is on the voice mail or who answers.

3. everything i do with computers is specialized. i am a specialist. in every sense of the word. privately and professionally. their hebrew support is legenedary in its inadequacy (partly due to a lack of interest in MS israel helping them.) their excel is far inferior, or was as of their first attempts to add "MS-esque" functionality. (and yeah, i know exel was origially a mac program)

4. I am writing this on my PC laptop screen sitting on the floor. (How cool is that?)

5. i keep posting facts and LOGGED examples of Apple screwing people over, and you have yet to address that once, you just invoked the RIAA and evidenced that they are not *THE MOST EVIL* (and i will admit RIAA is often merciless in their leeching) and accused me of posting unfounded opinion. I DO HAVE an opinion, and it is based on my functionality. You have not once stood against any specific anything, but defended their right to a proprietary nature - which is illegal according to the same fair business practice that they invoked against Microsoft - the fair business practices that regulate the stability of the American economy.

6. i think the move to intel is a good one for Apple that the should have made a long time ago, and since when is the intel inside not the CPU, i.e. the Computer Processing Unit. For the record, i really have issues with IBM with that whole jewish inventory thing they did for the nazi... what a way to use computers.

for me (and this is far more on topic) I think this is a good move, because Apple will basicaly be making a corporate step closer to making PC's - PERSONAL computers. For me "Personal Computers" is not equal to "Windows Boxes." In a perfect world, you would be able to partition space and run both on a SELF-CREATED PC with a customized architecture. but when the G5 is still 1299 and basically OBSOLETE - it s a wonder you can't say Apple sucks and people nod in sad agreement. It is the CORPORATION that sucks, not their track record. and that doesn't mean i think Microsoft is the romised land, either... but Microsoft is more RELEVANT to my use. Hopefully, we have seen a step closer to a universal computing world, that will refine the technological presence in the market, and make some REAL CHANGES IN THE USER EXPERIENCE (and before you suggest i don't know winamp from winmedia, I am not talking about not the REAL player, when I say REAL - phbbt)

now, I am stepping away from this topic, as it has taken too much of my time, and I got little personal work accomplished besides diagramming my homebound wireless network. You revealed some personal information in thei thread, about your peers that indicate to me you feel vidincate on this subject. i agree to respect your opinion that their tools are focused at superiority in certain uses,.. and they generally have hardware and software much less likely to be prone to corruption.

but the exclusive propietary nature seals their fate as either "change, or die."

You know, I re-read your post and the only thing I came away with is that you are obviously a very bitter person....probably for a number of reasons, none of which have anything to do with anyone hating Apple.

For the record, I was playing around in my previous post, which I thought was blatantly apparant.....evidently not.

Let me give it to you from an idiots perspective......I use what I use because it's what I've been using for years....and it works.


How's that??

QUOTE(teh1337357)  I may have a tendency not to like people from a certain race, but it has nothing to do with being racist.



Just FYI... that's the definition of racist... not liking someone just because they are of a different race.

damn you both for not needing 500+ words to express a simple statement of professional truth!

lol,
Ch