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#11

Pete,

That statement reflect how little you understand of the human legacy of armed conflict.

Humans INHERENTLY group into warring factions. And until the violence is concluded unamimously, it will be the most visceral way to achieve factional objectives. The trick then becomes to find ways to INCLUDE such diversity in your factions that the common tie is the faction itself.

His racism is as unappealing to me as the racism of any other. His misuse of facts (hopefully just for rhyme and flow) creates a picture of a great white conspiracy that somehow forgot to include the majority of whites as well. What he says is biased, poorly researched, dated (and in some cases disproven), ignorant of the major tenets of economics, understanding of executive authority, and religious history.

Like when he says "Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Quran." That is not true. The Quran is *supposed to be* the direct transmssion of Allah, through Gabriel,.. not the words of ANY PROPHET! Thus, it is not the word Muhammed spoke, but it is the word of Muhammed.

And to be honest, he is as racist and opportunistic as the men he criticizes.

His agenda is one of creating a greater rift in American mentality thorugh misinformation, especially along a racial divide:

Like his comment that 4 non-Arabs were arrested at GWB for Terrorist attacks. That is a complete mistruth.

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Lynne Stewart, 62; was a lawyer and an Arabic translator. She is under indictment for allowing the dissemination of a false claim that the Bureau of Prisons denied Rahman medical treatment, when she knew that Rahman himself had refused insulin. This claim was a major element of her appeal to his imprisonment, where she claimed he was denied vital medical treatment. The indictment further says she assited her client in relaying orders to Mohammed Yousry, 44, from Queens; an alleged Islamic Group operative who lives in Staten Island, Ahmed Abdel Sattar, 42; and a man who allegedly provided funds and communications support for the Islamic Group, Yassir Al-Sirri, who is currently incarcerated in England.

They were not arrested at the bridge, or together, and one of them is in prison in England!

The indictment alleges the New York-based Sattar has relayed messages from abroad to Rahman, while Yousry, who acts as an interpreter during prison visits and phone calls between Rahman and his attorneys, "is one of the very limited number of people who has any means of communicating directly" with the sheik.

In addition, the indictment alleges that Sattar wired money to one of Rahman's sons, Mohammed Abdel Rahman, who was killed in Afghanistan after years of fighting as a member of the Al Qaeda. He has another son in the Al Qaeda who is in US custody.
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First, in northern New Jersey, Sami Ibrahim Isa Ardel Hadi, who worked for L&L Painting was arrested after a traffic stop when his name came up on a Terror Watchlist. He had a valid ID as a painter on the George Washington Bridge, which is where he was likely headed either to or from when stopped on Route 46, a local GWB approach. The PBA union for Port Authority Police confirmed that a painter on the GWB had been arrested and was on the terror watch list.

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and there was also two men with Pakistani passports who were arrested in 2003 carrying a white powder, and the makings of a bomb, to the NYC Brooklyn bridge.

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this dude is probably smoking his own product before he checks out the news, can't get half the shit he read straight, and when he sobers up he goes looking for them same articles, and *poof* they are nowhere to be found. damn, must be that Great White conspiracy.

No offense,.. but do you really think most people are coordinated enough to do that kind of shit on PURPOSE?

If he were on the radio, I'd listen to the classical station. I'd rather hear no words than a half-baked truth.

vertical,
raum

#12

I sincerely do not know what to think. I believe that some people can be real arseholes, and will do certain things on purpose. Even have a war just for the sake of it.

I did not believe every single line of that song, but the general gist ringed quite well. It ringed because of my belief, and I am aware that it may not have strong foundations. It's just the feeling I get from all this stuff! It is all I understand about the human legacy of armed conflict. Which as you said my understanding is quite minor.

Okay, I edited this post, because my last statement was not expressed very clearly, and may have given the wrong impression.

I'd like to explain this further, but will only commence after a fortnight. Ask me about this when I come back.

#13

Good insights, Cause of Death is the name of the song..These lyrics are from various songs though...

I have gone over this twice, with more to follow...I still can't believe all this goes on...Is this stuff you learned from watching CNN raum? How did you learn all this stuff?

#14

I personally feel he has taken so much of an extremist position due to the heavy opposition he probably faced his whole life..

If you believe in God mildly, but are in a room with 99 other atheists, when a theology debate rises up, you are going to wind up
defending your POV much more than if the room was filled with believers. Basically I mean sometimes we exaggerate to get a point across
to people who believe different than us and are so convinced they are right that we feel they wont listen to us UNLESS we *catch their ear*
with something a little extreme. Nahmean?

#15

QUOTE(Aemeth)Brains, could you plz elaborate more on the forgetting "God" part...I don't quite see what you
don't know if raum answered already. he writes books, his replies are full of wisdom, but not real easy when time is lacking.

so... a two word breakdown: "God" as we were taught to worship makes us into mindless individuals. We do not judge ourselves anymore because of that misconception. We were learned that all judgement will be done for us when we take of of this planet and become one with all again. "Church" tells us we need to go there, we need their priests to communicate with God. That we are unable to see our wrongs. That we need to ask forgivesness for our sins. That only our (current interpretation of) "God" is able to grant salvation.

SO... take a step back. Forget that concept of God and take a look at how you yourself are behaving in this world. Only then will you be able to get the spiritual bond making you see good from evil.

#16

yup, and this is why I vouched for Brains.

great simple answer.

#17

QUOTE(Brains)don't know if raum answered already. he writes books, his replies are full of wisdom, but not real easy when time is lacking.

so... a two word breakdown: "God" as we were taught to worship makes us into mindless individuals. We do not judge ourselves anymore because of that misconception. We were learned that all judgement will be done for us when we take of of this planet and become one with all again. "Church" tells us we need to go there, we need their priests to communicate with God. That we are unable to see our wrongs. That we need to ask forgivesness for our sins. That only our (current interpretation of) "God" is able to grant salvation.

SO... take a step back. Forget that concept of God and take a look at how you yourself are behaving in this world. Only then will you be able to get the spiritual bond making you see good from evil.

That is what is good about Buddha- rather than look UP to something for their judgement of you, take a look inside yourself and consult the Buddha in YOU, as Buddha is in all of us, not above us.

People don't like being faced in a mirror, they don't want to see the ugliness for themselves. They think they need someone up above in authority to tell them their wrongs, to judge them, and they accept it (or not). But they don't want to realise it on their own.

It is called DENIAL.

Dirty Window- Metallica (link)

I see my reflection in the window
It looks different, so different than what you see.
Projecting judgement on the world
This house is clean baby,
this house is clean.

Am I who I think I am?
Am I who I think I am?
Am I who I think I am?
Look out my window and see it's gone wrong
Court is in session and now I slam my gavel down.

I'm judge and I'm jury and I'm executioner too
I'm judge and I'm jury and I'm executioner too

Projector
Protector
Rejector
Infector
Projector
Rejector
Infector
Injector
Defector
Rejector

I see my reflection in the window
This window clean inside, dirty on the out.
I'm looking different than me
This house is clean baby,
this house is clean.

Am I who I think I am?
Am I who I think I am?
Am I who I think I am?
Look out my window and see it's gone wrong
Court is in session and now I slam my gavel down.

Projector
Protector
Rejector
Infector
Projector
Rejector
Infector
Injector
Defector
Rejector

I, drink from the cup of denial
I'm, judging the world from my throne
I, drink from the cup of denial
I'm, judging the world from my throne.

#18

B, I see it now, I wasnt sure if you meant God himself or that concept of God. I understand now.

Yea, Technique has a line about how people fail because they always look to (the same concept of) God to solve their problems, instead of themselves. But you must first search yourself before you begin to understand God..

#19

Pete,

what you say of buddha is exactly what the prophets Phineas, Elijah, Nathan, and others, said, Jeshua reinforced.

Even better, before buddha there was Lao Tse, and he said the same thing.

However, it is a lesson that many are hard-pressed to integrate.

#20

i might be wrong here, but doesn't the bible also say "god is in all of us"? at least it says "god is everywhere", so that includes all of us, but it takes one more leap of the mind to get there. a leap which is proving too much for a lot of us.

btw. as far as I "know" now, man was created by the devil (Yaltabaoth - search for it, there is quite a lot of info in VU here). what we refer to as God, the all-knowing and omni-potent, the Tao or whatever name you want to give it, only was able to induce "the spirit of epinoia" into man. it was "well hidden" so that Yaltabaoth would not notice. It gave man the possibility to judge - if he looked for it.