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Oh yeah Thank God it's not for money! I mean I get my ass kicked almost everyweek but it's still fun. I just can't brag on anything. It's for the most part just luck though. Last year was my first year and I was in two leagues and got to both championship games and came out .500. This year two leagues and one I still have YET to win and this one I'm below .500. But if ya can laugh about it and have a little fun who cares right? It helps ya get to know some players you otherwise wouldn't pay much attention to otherwise.

With the playoffs starting next week, and each round lasting 2 weeks, I was wondering how a winner is decided in the case of a tie? We already had one in the league, so however unlikely, it might happen again, more so with the 2 week format. AJ Mass wrote about a few ideas on ESPN after the Eagles-Bengals tie game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/footb ... mish081118

I vote for #1: Overtime Players.

1. Declare overtime players: In addition to setting the regular lineup, each owner should rank bench players in order of preference. If the game ends in a dead heat, the league manager will add to each team's total the points earned by the first player on this list, and will continue to do so, adding one player for each team until the tie is broken.

Even if this comes back to bite me in the ass since I have Tom Brady sitting on my bench on IR for next season. We could also go with "the higher seed advances" which awards the team that did better during the regular season and would seem to be the easiest tie breaker. As this could affect both the "Winners" and "Consolation" brackets, what are everyone's thoughts, or did you choose one TT?

I also noticed a "Trophy" section for our league.
http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/trophylist?leagueId=462297
Are we going to get any of those? I'd suggest two. An overall "League Champ" and maybe a "Scoring Champ" for the top scorer of the "regular season" or playoffs included since everyone still plays.

erokero85 wrote:With the playoffs starting next week, and each round lasting 2 weeks, I was wondering how a winner is decided in the case of a tie? We already had one in the league, so however unlikely, it might happen again, more so with the 2 week format. AJ Mass wrote about a few ideas on ESPN after the Eagles-Bengals tie game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/footb ... mish081118

I vote for #1: Overtime Players.

1. Declare overtime players: In addition to setting the regular lineup, each owner should rank bench players in order of preference. If the game ends in a dead heat, the league manager will add to each team's total the points earned by the first player on this list, and will continue to do so, adding one player for each team until the tie is broken.

Even if this comes back to bite me in the ass since I have Tom Brady sitting on my bench on IR for next season. We could also go with "the higher seed advances" which awards the team that did better during the regular season and would seem to be the easiest tie breaker. As this could affect both the "Winners" and "Consolation" brackets, what are everyone's thoughts, or did you choose one TT?

I also noticed a "Trophy" section for our league.
http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/trophylist?leagueId=462297
Are we going to get any of those? I'd suggest two. An overall "League Champ" and maybe a "Scoring Champ" for the top scorer of the "regular season" or playoffs included since everyone still plays.

Damn, I've been meaning to offer both of your suggestions, ero, for a couple of weeks now, but with my sporadic schedule, and the site down most weekends when I try to check in, I've forgotten about them. I even got "the overtime player" suggestion from the same article.

So, yeah, I agree on your two points of contention here. In the short time I signed up for another ESPN league in week 5 or so, it was a sixteen-team league with four divisions of four teams each. It turned out to be run by one of the worst league managers I have and hopefully will ever encounter, I was booted off the league in less than three weeks, along with the rest of the members (I believe it was run by an insecure 16-year-old punk who had already trashed the league once before, hence why the league was available mid-season, and every team already having full rosters).

The only good thing I took from that heinous experience was that i noticed there were trophies set by the LM. I think a couple were "highest scorer, league doormat (a rib-jabbing trophy for the team known as the 'bye week'), team MVP (the team that had the actual or fantasy MVP on its roster), among others"... we perhaps can vote on more if there is a general consensus on wanting them at the end of the season.


Also a suggestion:
I wanted to ask TT if it were possible to allow one more keeper, since we do have one more roster spot than the other leagues I participated in did (16 v. 15). I don't want to ask for too much, and it's alright if you think 3 is fair, but I wanted to save my current roster's keepers like so: 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 RB/WR; it'll also help since a few very good performers this year went into IR prematurely. Not sure if this would be a good thing to have once we have recruit more people into the league next year, and come draft time, there could be a serious dearth in talent, but seeing as how there's only eight of us this year, that perhaps we could be afforded 1 extra slot. Does this seem fair to everyone? Comments?

¡ñ±£¿®∆L Ф¶†ïς@п wrote: Damn, I've been meaning to offer both of your suggestions, ero, for a couple of weeks now, but with my sporadic schedule, and the site down most weekends when I try to check in, I've forgotten about them. I even got "the overtime player" suggestion from the same article.

LOL. I know the feeling. I've been thinking the tie since the article came out, but only got my lazy butt in gear to post it now. :p

I like the MVP suggestion, but that's not the best reflection of fantasy value. I'd suggest a slight change to an "AF Elite" MVP and give it to the player w/ the most fantasy points since there might be a difference. Like say they give it to Farve, while both Brees and Warner are having better years stats and fantasy wise?

And I like the 3 keepers. It kinda forces you to choose wisely. 4 and you pretty much end up with the same team you have this year. I'd say most of our teams have leaned on 4-5 guys all year, so you're forced to give 2 up. Just makes things more interesting.

Yeah, I can agree with that MVP statement, considering that not long ago Vince Young received "Rookie of the Year" status even though he had less than 10 passing TDs all season. I still think that whatever team has the MVP of the league on their roster deserves some merit, even though I probably stole the idea from some juvenile delinquent that doesn't play well with others.

Hey, I picked up Warner off waivers this season (in my other league, I drafted him in the 14 round less than a week after he was named the starter in 'Zona), and I hear that people drafted/snatched Steve Slaton/Chris Johnson late in the draft/off waivers. Considering another article I read today on ESPN, those could be considered 'Grand Theft Roto' material, eh? :p

I think we're going to stick with the 3 keepers, because it does make you have to be wiser with your decisions. Having the potential to keep 1 of each skill position seems really reasonable to me. So 3 keepers it is...

As for a tie-breaker, right now it is set up for which team has a higher total number of points for the entire season. There are only 3 options that ESPN allows for playoff tie-breakers: Head-to-head matchup of the 2 teams, total points during season, total points against during season. Out of those, I preferred total points during season, but might be willing to change it to head-to-head if enough people decide it's better.

With trophys, I did have a couple planned and would definitely be willing to listen to more suggestions. These were the ones I was thinking about:

1. Regular season champ
2. Playoff champ
3. Team with most points
4. Worst team overall (you can have trophys with negative points so this was just to humiliate the last place team)

I do like the idea of whoever has the NFL's MVP, and maybe the 'AF MVP' being the player with the most fantasy points. Any other ones you might want?

These are great suggestions, guys. I'm glad you are taking an interest in the league.

Yeah, whoever dropped the ball on this season can obtain the "Brandon Lloyd" Trophy... :p





Wait, in coming up that sentiment, I thought of a new trophy based off what the NFL awards as well:
Comeback of the Year.
Right now I'd nominate All-Pro Bowlers for the title because he was MIA for a few weeks-to-a-month and tied for last place, but we reached out to him, asked what the deal was, and he came back fighting into the fray. Now, he's a win away from making a run in the playoffs (it's not too spectacular considering how many members in the league and playoff spots--half get in, but still, he was losing when he wasn't here, now he's back and winning).


To add: What's the alternative option of fantasy football head-to-head? Is it points scored, or "roto", whatever that means? I'm not optioning it up as a suggestion because I have never known the settings, but I'd like to know what the interest and/or advantages are to them.



EDIT: Thought of another potential trophy, "Longest Streak" (I don't think it matters if it's a winning or losing one; both merit consideration into the impressively/lucky situation)

For me, I don't want too many trophy's because the more you have, the more each gets watered down.

Here's what I like:
1) Overall Champ. Reg Season gets rewarded w/ top seed, thus best chance to win champ bracket. I'd like only the one (Overall Champ over the Reg Season + Overall) but could live w/ both.
2) League MVP. Either NFL MVP OR "AF E" MVP (fantasy pts), but not both.
3) Scoring champ. Top points scored. Hey, you did the best all year, you deserve a trophy.
4) "Hard Luck Team" most injuries, or most IR guys. You can't project/predict injuries. But hard to tell since you'd have to check each week. But could change to team with the most PA (points against) since most likely they got the worst matchups each week.

Like I said, less is more. But I'm not one for the "you sucked" trophy. "Streaks", well it's too easy to tie, thus headaches. "You sucked this year" trophy's, when you lose, everyone knows you sucked. No need to remind everyone. That's what this thread is for. That reminds me, BOO RED SOX... I mean Pats... either way DL... :twisted:... stupid Yankees....

Just as long as Ninja Monkeys get's printed correctly on the Championship trophy!

but as for the ties, I don't really like the "points scored" since, someone (me if I win this week) might have the higher seed, but less points. Don't want it to be like the BCS where blowout wins help you more than 1 point wins. The points will still be the tie breaker for seeding, thus your starting seeding. But I wouldn't want it to override a team's win total. If that's the tie breaker, then the team w/ the most total points, they are pretty much the top seed regardless of seeding since they win any tiebreaker. I know it might be more work for you TT, since I think league managers can manually break/change ties, but I value seeding (wins) more than points. But that's just me, so I'll go along with the majority vote of the league.

Man I feel like someone raped me...Picture me, cuddle up in the corner, clothing torn into shards, cut, dirt, and bleeding profusely out of the anus..

Sorry, I don't have much to add to the great ides presented here, since I'm sure I wont' be getting shit...

As you were...

Ok, so here are the trophies we are going with this year:

1. Champion
2. AF MVP (player)
3. Top scoring team
4. Tough Luck (injuries, players not holding up to standards, etc) I will take nominees for this, but I'll mainly look at who the team drafted, who is currently on their team, and decide which team got fucked.

Next year we'll add Comeback of the Year. Since it's a keeper league, that award will be for the team that improved the most from the previous year.


As for tie-breakers, here are the pros and cons of each of the 3 options.

1. Head-to-head
Pros: Sees how you usually performed against the team you've played
Cons: Doesn't allow for "sweet revenge" from someone kicking your ass all over the regular season
2. Total Points
Pros: Allows for a bad week when your team scored massive points even though you may have lost
Cons: Your team may have started out slow and have been tearing it up as of recently
3. Total Points Against
Pros: Honestly I can't think of any
Cons: You have no control over how many points are scored against you