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if 1,3,5,7, etc.. are odd numbers n 2,4,6,8 r even....

doesnt that make 0 an even, so it is a number???

fark this shit is to philosophical for me... i just wanted the new LMS set damnit....

QUOTE(cs_cdkey4)if  1,3,5,7, etc.. are odd numbers n 2,4,6,8 r even....

doesnt that make 0 an even, so it is a number???

fark this shit is to philosophical for me... i just wanted the new LMS set damnit....

Even numbers can be divided into equal parts. Odd numbers are left with remainders.......

0/0 = infinity...............

QUOTE(AYHJA)A negative number isn't a number, its an integer...

Numbers are always integers, but integers are not always numbers...

AYHJA, you aren't even reading my posts, how can you say that "numbers are always integers, but integers aren't always numbers?

Here's a clear definition of an integer: "A NUMBER without a decimal (0, 1, 25, 173, 1032, etc.). Integer values can be less than, equal to, or greater than zero."
So, how can you say that "integers are not always numbers", when an integer means a NUMBER WITHOUT A DECIMAL?
And we know that zero doesn't have a decimal, which makes it an INTEGER, and an integer is a number without a decimal, which makes zero a number!

Am I lucid now?

QUOTE(AYHJA)...0 denotes the lack of quanity, and was formally introduced as a place holder to numbers...0 itself has no value...Numbers have value... True enough that "0" can serve as a placeholder and was used as such before the notion or concept of the null value as part of a complex number system was understood. For example, in the number 503, the 0 serves as a placeholder in the location where quantities of ten would be designated. It represents that in this number we have 5 quantities of 100 and no quantities of 10 and 3 singles. However, just because it serves as a symbol in that context is not a valid argument that it is not a number.

If the cat is outside in the open in a rain storm, it is safe to say that the cat is wet. However, if the cat is outside in the open and it is wet, that does not mean that it is raining (which is how you are presenting your argument).

The lack of value is still a value that can be defined and has properties.

QUOTE(AYHJA)...If 0 is a number, then so is infinity...0 is a lack of quantity, and infinity represents a limitless quantity...you've got this partially right. True zero lacks quantity and infinity is limitless quantity. But to say that because one is a number the other one must be is flawed logic (oops that cat is wet so it must be raining again). Here is the true test. Can you perform math functions with zero? Absolutely! You can add, subtract, and multiply with 0 and get real answers. You can divide numbers into zero and get a real answer....zero. You can't do that with a placeholder...or infinity! But you can do all those things with the number 0! Zero DOES represent a quantity (even though that quantity is nothing). You can do any math calculation with zero except divide it into another number....and why is that? Let's look at it mathematically. Consider 1/0. You know that 1/1 =1, 1/0.1 = 10, 1/0.01 = 100, 1/0.001 = 1000, etc... Pick a power of 10 as large as you want and I can find a number larger than 0 that I can divide into 1 and get your number as a result.

In other words, as we divide numbers into 1 and those numbers get closer and closer to 0, the quotient gets larger and larger with no boundary. We conclude then, that 1/0 = infinity. Why is this important? ...the reason that you can't divide a number by zero is because the answer equals infinity and you cannot do math with infinity as it has NO DEFINED VALUE. Plain and simply put, you can't do computations with it. But you can with zero because it IS a number with unique properties.

QUOTE(AYHJA)...0 is neither positive nor negative...Just like infinity...Again, you're logic is flawed. Let me put it this way. Let's look at positive and negative in terms of simple direction. If it helps, think of a number line. Positive direction goes onward and upward to the right and negative numbers proceed to the left. 1 has a value of 1 in the positive direction and -1 also has a value of 1 but with a negative direction. How far can I go in either direction? The answer is infinity.... so logically, infinity could be either positive or negative. 0 is that special point where value = Null and Direction = null. It is neither positive or negative but rests in that precise state of transition from one to the other. But just because it is special or unique, does not disqualify it from being a number.

Take this number ... 299792458 .... is it a number of any significance for you?
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If I told you it was meters per second, would it then?
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How about if I told you it was the "c" in Einsteins famous e=mc2 calculation. Would that make it special and would you agree that the number has special properties? Specifically, it is known as is the conversion factor required to formally convert from units of mass to units of energy. Does having this special property or significance make it no longer a number? Absolutely not.

Is zero unique? Yes. Does it have unique properties? Again, yes. But it's value and properties are well defined and understood (at least by myself and most rocket scientists), allowing for it's use in both simple and complex mathematical calculations (unlike infinity).

Your car is still a car whether you are driving forward, in reverse, or have it parked in your driveway....
so...Yes Virginia, Zero IS a number....

QUOTE(Mr. SM)If the cat is outside in the open in a rain storm, it is safe to say that the cat is wet.  However, if the cat is outside in the open and it is wet, that does not mean that it is raining (which is how you are presenting your argument).  

Absolutely right you are Mr. SM.

I couldn't do anything but just totally agree with your post Mr. SM. Your post has basically said everything all man.

Hmm, makes sense to everyone zero is a number now?

Yeah, I really don't understand how infinity could be a number.

Say you have two apples, but you eat two apples, how many are left? Zero. But if you have infinity apples... how many apples is that? :?

who said infinity was a number? :S

AYHJA said that if zero is a number, so is infinity... unless I read that wrong. lol

oh yeah oops, you're right he said that............

yeah AYHJA, can you explain to us "how infinity is a number"


thanks

He didn't say it was a number. He said that if zero was a number (the absence of value) than likewise, infinity must be a number (the infinite value). His point was that neither of them should be considered a number but, of course, he was only half right....
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