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Seems that not everyone agrees that golf is a sport.

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‚¢t believe golf to be a sport; I believe it to be a game that is played on a higher level than some. I know people who sweat playing XBOX, I know people who sweat playing croquet... are they sports now too? Do both demand their own physical or mental aspects? Sure do... XBOX takes great eye-hand coordination and croquet... takes... well... the right mallet and the right swing (sound familiar?) to get the ball threw the wicket.

ok, ruff... despite the debate, at this point what you really need to do is decide the definition of Sport, you are adhering to.

A sport was a "leisurely pass-time" usually reserved for those upper-crust who had time to pass.

as far as a Game, golf is certainly so... and has been since the 1300's.

and if you disqualify Games from being sports, than certainly Golf is a Game rather than a sport. Furthermore, the first mention of Golf in writing is on a list of "forbidden games". therefore, it is a game.

but I find many games to be "sporting events", because i still consider a sport a "leisurely pass-time"

I just view golf as a game because it takes no real physical prowess to hit a stationary target. Is it hard to hit the ball 400 yards? Yes. But, if I can hit the ball 300 yards with driving range balls and clubs, how hard can the game really be? I've never played a round of golf in my life... nor am I a driving range junky... but if I go out there and smash it 300 yards, am I now an athlete? Is that athletic? I have to say no.

A sport is a game that required athletic ability. Golf is no more athletic than riding a stationary bike for 5 miles. Both are hard to do, but neither requires any athletic ability IMO. The golfer walks up to the tee/field of play and hits a stationary ball and hands the club off to the caddy. Then, the caddy carries the clubs to the next hole and hands the club to the golfer. He hits the stationary ball again and hands the club BACK to the caddy. This goes on for like 4 days. I mean how athletic do you really have to be to walk carrying nothing and swing a 1 pound club?

Is golf a challenging game? Yes... I couldn't shoot 70. Is Chess a challenging game? Yes, I don't know what the hell bishop 3 to rook 5 even means! But, does golf require any athletic ability? Not in my opinion. I see these fat bustards all the time at the driving range and course just swiping away at the ball. You going to tell me those same fat bustards are athletic? FUCK NO. They are fat bustards playing a game that requires a certain amount of energy to play. Could those same fat bustards play a game of basketball without passing out? No... you know why... BECAUSE BASKETBALL IS A SPORT!

I don't even know why you are discussing this if you have never have played a round in your life. That just doesn't make sense. How about you start talking about something you know

And I'm not even gonna get into what you said about them "fat batards". I've got 2 words that will hopefully help you understand that weight has nothing to do with athleticism: Babe Ruth. Actually, look at all the linemen and linebackers in the NFL. Huge, absolutley huge. Well, since they way 300 pounds I guess they aren't athletic. Wait, I guess that means that Football isn't a sport

There is a big difference between a 350 lineman that lifts weights and exercises every single day and some slop that comes in off the street with his buddies to knock the ball around for 18 holes. I would have hoped you took a second and thought your comment through before posting... guess not.

Hitting a stationary ball that is DESIGNED for flight with a metal club that is DESIGNED for distance is no harder than throwing a damn metal horse shoe at a stationary pole. 1 is stationary and the other is being hit or thrown.

And, Babe Ruth played in a time where NOBODY exercised. So, he was just a mammoth of a man. Now, could Ruth play today... hell no and we all know it. Can you tell me how much Ruth weighed? Nobody knows... but I do know the last bat Ruth ordered was 52 ounces. Did you just read that... 52 FREAKING OUNCES!!! So, there was some damn muscle in there SOMEWHERE right?

All you do now is troll my posts and make yourself look worse. I'm not following you around the site trying to pick at everything you say. You go off-topic in the Tiger Woods thread and then try and curse at me for responding to your post. What a fucking hypocrite you are man. You can dish it out, but you can't take it. I'll leave you with something I always told my soldiers: Don't try and correct me if you are just as wrong.

QUOTEI see these fat bustards all the time at the driving range and course just swiping away at the ball. You going to tell me those same fat bustards are athletic? FUCK NO. They are fat bustards playing a game that requires a certain amount of energy to play.

Wow...sounds like you said that fat bastards aren't atheletic. NFL linemen are fat bastards yet they play a sport

QUOTEAnd, Babe Ruth played in a time where NOBODY exercised. So, he was just a mammoth of a man. Now, could Ruth play today... hell no and we all know it.

I think he could play today. There have been plenty of big guys in the league that were extremely good. Look at Tony Gywnn. Can't say he was skinny but he is arguably the best hitter baseball has ever seen. David Wells (not one that is extremely good btw) is huge yet he threw a perfect game in 1998. Throwing a perfect game requires some atheletic skills. Hell, even David Ortiz is pretty big and (I hate to say it b/c he's a Red Sox) he's one the best players in the game.

All this to say that size has nothing to do with athleticism

I don't think Ruth could play today if he was alive with the same body type. He was just a mammoth among elephants.

As for big guys playing a sport. These are athletes who get some excersise every single day. Not Golf-Guy who goes to the pitch and putt with his buddies.

Do pro golfers get a good cardeovascular workout on their days off? I have no clue, but I'd bet not.

Is walking 5 miles hard... kind of, but old people do it, so how hard can it be?

Is a 350 pound lineman an athlete? I answered that above your reply... so just scroll on up and see.

Golf is a game that some people can play at a higher level than other people. Thats my view. Tiger Woods is the greatest golfer to ever live (unless something happens that is). But, is he the greatest athlete... no, because he isn't an athlete. He is a golfer and golf isn't a "Sport". Golf is a game... and yes a game is a sport... but we all know the difference between games and sports. Hop-scotch is a game, not sport. Football is a game that is also a sport.

^^ you keep pushing this idea that a sport is a game that requires aggressiveness.


What else is it that you think that turns a game into a sport?

Babe would excel today,.. but they would fine him heavily for being such a pimp.

still, ruff, seems to me you have such strong opinions about Golf, for someone who ain't ever played. How many people on the green you seen you can chock em all up to people with good clubs? I drop rocks at golf, its a gift I wish extended to my short game, where I do about 7 under - like sharp shooting, sniping, or being able to pop a drone with a stinger in a thirty second bear-down (all of which I can do). You (hopefully) would never shit on people's ability or accuracy with a rifle, even if they did have a good scope, and a composite stock, so why piss on golf? Hell you think all markmanship is can be simplified to a trigger finger. In Golf, you buy in a tourney, and play for a portion of the ante, and the prize against an ideal score. In my mind, better than whoring yourself out for millions and whining cause you don't get the limelight enough and acting more hurt than you are like alot of "real athletes". Skeet shooting is a sport, just not "an athletic competition," which is not the only classification for a sport. Seems to me, at that point you are attacking something bigger than golf, cause you are chocking it all up to clubs and gear, and it is not so.

I bet you saw enough thick to just realize some people, no matter how much training, will simply not cut it in combat, just as others will not cut it on the messdecks.

some people will never be able to pull a green on par, no matter how many times they try or how many of their clubs Tiger Woods has kissed. They have no sensitivity to windage,.. and trust me most baggers would rather be able to play consistent windage than get a special set of clubs. Some people will never have double-jointed hips, and be able to pop that extra 10% on a three wood, when most people have to go with a driver, and can hardly stay on the green. And when it comes to depth perception, all eye colors are not created equal. That's what they should laud about Tiger, not the color of his skin, but the color of his eyes.

Can you hit the green, smell it, and tell the direction of the wind. i know people who have tried for decades, relatives with golf in the blood, and they still just can't get it right. they suck with a bow, as well, incidentally. while I made archery team.

but aside from that, some of us who can golf can also skate or bike 30 miles in a hour, and hardly pop a sweat, or can run a mile in ten minutes after drinking a bottle of Jagermeister. and we just happen to carry a tradition of our drunk ancestors who lobbed rocks in open windows when they were stumbling back from the pub through the homesteads of the Brits that stole across the borders of their lands and the hems of their wive's skirts. Of course, those same bohemians also would not be talking about basketball or golf when they said "there goes a lass what be good for sport" - they means "i could have a good ol time with that girl" and that is what a sport was "a good ol time."

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c.1440, "pleasant passtime," from sport (v.). Meaning "game involving physical exercise" first recorded 1523. Original sense preserved in phrases such as in sport "in jest" (c.1440). Sense of "stylish man" is from 1861, Amer.Eng., probably because they lived by gambling and betting on races. Meaning "good fellow" is attested from 1881 (e.g. be a sport, 1913). The sport of kings was originally (1668) war-making. Sportswear is from 1912. Sports car first attested 1928. Sportscast first recorded 1938. Sportsman first recorded 1706. Sporting "characterized by conduct constant with that of a sportsman" is attested from 1799 (e.g. sporting chance, 1897). Sportsmanship is from 1745.

c.1400, "to take pleasure, to amuse oneself," from Anglo-Fr. disport, from O.Fr. desport "pastime, recreation, pleasure," from desporter "to divert, amuse, please, play" (see disport). Sense of "to amuse oneself by active exercise in open air or taking part in some game" is from c.1483. Meaning "to wear" is from 1778.

Raum... I never said Golf wasn't hard. I just said it isn't a sport. People keep trying to give me the book definition of sport. Well, look up pussy... it talks about a damn cat. Same difference here. Tomato... Tomaato.

I think Golf is a very challenging game and I am sure that I can drive the ball far, but not straight. Just because someone can hit the ball where they want it to go doesn't make the game a sport. Darts would be a sport if accuracy and aim were all that was counted.

What makes a sport?

Physical activity is #1. Golfers exert energy, but not at a constant pace for prolonged periods of time. They show it be to more leisure than active.

2: Endurance. Too many stop and starts in golf. You hit the ball and get a prolonged break before you have to perform again.

3: The equipment cannot do more of the work than the person. Thus, when asked, I will say that NASCAR is not a sport either. I'm sorry, but I don't think driving a car, no matter how fast it is going, is athletic. In golf the clubs and balls play a huge factor in the outcome. If Tiger had to go out there and play a tourney with range clubs and balls from the base, I'd be he wouldn't win shit. Equipment plays a very big role.