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QUOTE(raum @ Oct 13 2006, 10:41 PM) Fable is about the facilitation of consciousness through personal decision and action, not role models. it's pretty obvious testimony and the game was scaled far down from what it as supposed to be.
no and yes.

fable indeed was supposed to be about the facilitation of consciousness through personal decision and action, but it is so easy to fool the game. If I want to be damn evil, I am. If I want to have my goodness maxed out, it is so friggen easy as well, so yes, I hope it was scaled down far from what it was supposed to be and I hope Molyneux is able to get that part right with "2". That he is able to make it a lot let obvious for the player...


QUOTEbut Fable 2 looks outstanding... and I suspect Dmitri is semi-biographical, should be wonderful.
as I said, I am not that interested in Fable 2. Dimitry... yes. Intrigiung, but far too away for me to say anything about it. Why do you think it is semi-biographical?!


QUOTEPeter Molyneux is a genius. i can talk more about this later,.. deadlines abound with a short delay every once in a while. thus no big posts today.
no need to talk about it. he is one of the luminaries of video games. we both agree. i rather discuss 360 vs. ps3...


QUOTEbtw, video games are a tool for meditation for me. i sit in reverie and consider the implications of the symbology of the characters.
they have been, both for meditation, as for the implications of the symbology of characters. I was entranced by Gateway to Apshai, as well as Elite for that. Amazing games. Pixels for personas.


QUOTEit started as a child, and only got more deep. the monitor gives the stimulus to achieve the alpha state, and from there, I open my mind to a inter-facilitation with diety... and adopt symbology, and play the game around the symbology.
right raum. sounds like walking the walk and talking the talk.... i do not know why exactly you do that here, but well...


QUOTElike if you tried to visualize a blue ball, and then made it do tricks in your head... and realized the tricks it did spelled out words that must lie deeper than man's conscious mind.

it's an exercise in synchronicity, if you will, with me at the floating point of relativity.

in a sense, mystic daydreaming with special effects.
more of that talk I'd like more in the context of vu, chapski. it sounds odd reading it in this thread.


QUOTEi will finish Fable, and break down the whole game... but for now, I say it is epic in its diologue on the human state.
good luck! I won't. The game did not entirely cut it for me. It was fun, but too shallow in all it's good vs. evil amazingly told story. I had Black and White before, which actually did better at subconsciously tricking the player into showing what he is worth...


edit: you said you was going to come back to this topic. you didn't.... hence my pushing you a bit. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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more hints at ps3 outperforming x360 graphics-wise... remember we are talking gen 1 ps3 games here:

QUOTEFans of the series will remember when Sony first announced the PS3, and EA's then-untitled boxing game was used as a standard-bearer of what the PS3 would be capable of. And while the Xbox 360 version of the game is certainly a visual spectacle in its own right, the PS3 version looks even better. Granted the differences between the two games aren't night and day, but little touches, such as cleaner muscle definition in the boxers and improved lighting and sweat effects make for a slick and subtle upgrade to one of the best-looking games of 2006. Heck, even the card girls have improved in two key areas, and we'll leave it to your imagination to figure out just what we're talking about.
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/sports/figh ... id=6160086

EA also added to gameplay by adding sixaxis specifics btw.


about nba2k7:
QUOTEPlayers accustomed to the 360 version will notice that many of the reflections on the court are sharper, and player models are much more detailed. In fact, while we were shown the game in 720p, we were told that the game will actually run at a maximum resolution of 1080p at a full 60 frames a second.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/740/740608p1.html


about madden:
QUOTEVisually, if you've seen the 360 version of the game, you might not think that there are significant differences between the visuals of the game. But take a closer look, and you'll pick up on some of the finer details, such as sharper jerseys and field degradation as the play goes on. EA also spent extra time on animating pre-play movies to convey the emotional content of a game, so you'll see more player moments in the huddle before a play is chosen or scenes of the sideline to draw you into the game itself. You'll also pick up on some sharper textures in the 720p title, as Madden takes advantage of the PS3's hardware.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/740/740585p1.html


about NHL and BluRay-for-games:
QUOTEA representative from 2K Sports mentioned that they have plans to expand the title for next year's PS3 version of the game and really take advantage of the Blu-ray capacity. He stated that the extra space is ideal for things like more in game commentary.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/740/740577p1.html
^^ that is not the first hint at its advantages for games, but it does indeed can be defended to mean that you get the movie functionality for free...

ps3 will also get gta4 exclusive content. looks like Microsoft boasted too early with that announcement. here.

then Yellow Dog Linux, PSP connectivity - allowing to see movies stored on your ps3 anywhere in the world, as far as I understood. totally free on-line play. a XMB - the ps3's menu - which is lean and mean; the possibility to rip audio cd's to HDD (including USB ones apparently) and so on...

finally there is more or less hard proof that ps3 will live up to its hype, unlike its predecessor (and that moore's law is still in effect compared to 360's last year headstart).

even though 360 is indeed cheaper, you don't quite get as much as what is offered here - or you end up paying more... significantly more.

boxing game sounds kinda cool, but to be honest, I still haven't played any since puch-out. also the article says why the graphics look better... "Fight Night Round 3 has taken advantage of its longer development cycle..." give me enough time, and I can ramp up the visuals on ANYTHING. and they even say its not like night and day between the 360 and the ps3.

as far the sixaxis controller, they have no user replacable batteries... woot rechargables,.. *blech*!!! even with these sony batteries (and we all have seen how good sony makes batteries, right?) built in, and charged through USB, they assure you they will last "years" before you need to get a new controller, and they promise "minimal decay",.. hmm, just like an iPod, right? meanwhile, I have original *in the box* NES controllers that still work. so does the gun.

Again, I am not slamming sony, I am just saying that the variance between the performance of the systems is not as significant, and *sony hardware has sharply declined across the board* when considering the price points, IF you already own a dvd player, a computer or laptop, and you don't have a few hundred dollars extra for video games. and to say nothing of the fact moset third party games worth salt will be on the 360.

but, addages are abound today, "a 360 controller in the hand is worth more than SIXAXIS in the blog."

but so far, all I have seen of these ps3 games are stuff I already played and traded, or never bothered to buy. sure they will get better, and by then, the system will prolly be more reasonably priced, and the bugs in the first ones will be fixed and patched.

even better:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/sony- ... 208947.php

i am typing with tears in my eyes and pain from holding in laughter.

QUOTEThe honest answer is it's more of a target'' for PlayStation 3 shipments.

BWA-HA HAAAA!!!

bloomberg confirms...http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

... err... lol.

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cuz... how exactly is that any different from x360's flawed launch last year?

apparently customers are still complaining; with some being on their third unit!?!
QUOTEGameDaily BIZ has received tons of reader e-mail on the subject, with many consumers complaining that they're already on their 2nd or 3rd Xbox 360. In addition, last month an EA employee claimed that the failure rate of Xbox 360 consoles at his studio was in the range of 30 to 50 percent, although MS denied this account. And more recently, we heard from another video game studio (that wished to remain anonymous) claiming that out of about 200 Xbox 360s, roughly 35 percent had died. These studios, however, almost certainly got their systems around launch, and that's precisely why they and other early adopters have been having difficulties.

An MS spokesperson told GameDaily BIZ today, "Yes, it is true. As part of our standard and ongoing process of analyzing repair data, we recently noticed a higher than usual number of units coming in for repair. Upon further investigation, it was further discovered that the bulk of the units were isolated to a group that was part of the initial manufacturing run of the console. Returns for repair are coming in for a variety reasons and it's a higher rate than we are satisfied with."
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=13902


x360 uses more known technology and they had all sorts of problems... how do you expect a state-of-the-art product to overcome them more easily, aye?!

yes, thousands of players will have to wait until after xmas for their ps3 (not in the least Europeans), but at least they get the most advanced console when they do get their hands on it.

btw: have you read the ps3 is dead-silent and that it doesn't use a monstruous power brick to feed it?! /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />


btw... Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, also more beautiful on ps3:
QUOTEAt Sony's press event in San Francisco, we were able to spend some more time with the PlayStation 3 game and take a look at the unique features it will have. The big areas for PS3-specific features are the graphics and the control. The graphics in the game have been buffed up to take advantage of the system's capabilities and offer detailed visuals that can be displayed at 1080p.
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/marvelu ... id=6160287

amazing. can't wait to see how gen2 games'll be. :w00t:

hey, brains, I already got Marvel paid for,.. and get it this wednesday!

and let me tell you...

gamespot's screenshots are tell-tale.

look at marvel xbox 360 screenshot 13 of 42..
then
look at marvel screenshot PS3 number 2 of 35.

same shot, same system, different camera angle. these are both from the same reel. look at EVERY detail exactly the same, positions of enemies and heroes. xbox date Sept 27, ps3 date Oct 19.

exactly the same on the tiled floor. exactly the same positons of every one and every thing, including cap's shield.

my friend, those graphics you are ga-ga over are the same 360 graphics that have been up for for a few weeks now that just got posted for the ps3. maybe I will see if I can recreate that same screen on my TV next wednesday night when i get my copy.

admit it, you just were astounded by graphics off the 360 when you thought they were PS3. my point is made.

and gamespot said the graphics look sharper on the PS3 with the dedicated screen at 1080p, but they also mentioned they weren't inpressed by the framerate and hope it will be better... which is never mentioned as being deficient in their review of the 360 version, which will be 1080p next spring. In fact, so far the gameplay on the 360 has been described as "exemplary."

and even gamespot says of the 360 and ps3 versions, "The visuals in the games are comparable when running at 720p and feature a glossy sheen to them. The game sports a high level of detail on the Xbox 360 and PS3. "

http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/ps ... b10c2.html

and it is set to run at 1080p, and my TV will support that, but i will run at 720 anyways, because I honestly prefer a little fuzz in my picture.

You ever watch a movie, when you can count the pores on someone's nose? its friggin annoying.

but still, as far as this game goes, I guarantee you I will be deep in that game when someone who wants to play it on ps3 even gets a system to put it in. hell, i'll probably beat it before then!

right. that is annoying. games sites posting x360 shots for ps3 and vv.

with ign you can notice where they load from, with gamespot it is all image.image.com they are from.

so... we will just need to believe persons who have seen both side by side - and although imho gamespot is a little more enclined to 360, they have clearly stated "The graphics in the game have been buffed up to take advantage of the system's capabilities" in favor of Sony's console.

but well. this is a gen 1 ps3 game and a gen 2 x360 one. visuals already are (a bit) nicer on the former. if history is anything to go by, the difference will only increase.

QUOTE(raum @ Oct 21 2006, 09:29 AM) gamespot's screenshots are tell-tale.

look at marvel xbox 360 screenshot 13 of 42..
then
look at marvel screenshot PS3 number 2 of 35.

same shot, same system, different camera angle. these are both from the same reel. look at EVERY detail exactly the same, positions of enemies and heroes. xbox date Sept 27, ps3 date Oct 19.

exactly the same on the tiled floor. exactly the same positons of every one and every thing, including cap's shield.
there are differences, but minor. I have not posted that the differences are big eh?! I just stated that there are differences and that they mostly favor ps3's gen 1 games.

here's side by side...
PS3:




x360:



we can debate on which is better. i don't even care. I do see differences - like the overdone hdr on 360, the pillar in the next room and "stoneman"'s missing face on that console (although the latter two seem to be rendering artifacts... the ps3 does not show them however. I am inclined to prefer the softer look of ps3, but you could argue to defend x360 shots as well. anyhows: ps3 is gen 1 and is doing the same or better than x360 gen 2 games...



QUOTEmy friend, those graphics you are ga-ga over are the same 360 graphics that have been up for for a few weeks now that just got posted for the ps3. admit it, you just were astounded by graphics off the 360 when you thought they were PS3. my point is made.
not really chaps. I have not made judgements until the reports started leaking in. I already knew that some x360 shots were used to stand-in for ps3 (read above). so I have been careful. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

um, this whole "Gen1 ps3"vs "Gen2 360" game is a myth propigated by Sony.

This is an ACTIVISION/Raven game for the lead ports, and ACTIVISION/Vicarious Visions for the wii. They made it for 8 different platforms. They have amazing gameplay videos in the demo, where the developers are playing it on the 360 while they are talking about it.

These two images have the EXACT same placement of the exact same characters in the exact same sequences in the exact same scenery, the camera angle is a little different, evidenced by the size of the left most pillar base, spidey's hand,.. among other things that can be measured out. Regardless, this is not a comparison of the systems. Look at xBox screen #3, that one looks amazing, and if that is really what it looks like on the first xBox, that detail compares to the images they are showing for the 360 and ps3. They only system I have seen gameplay on yet is the 360, and it is hot! but all these images, compared, if they are that identically placed, they are renders, not gameplay. you can literally measure them out against each other.

and compare PC image number 3, to xbox number 3 = EXACT SAME IMAGE in exact same place, AGAIN.

and you seem to think that gamespot seems to favor the ps3, but I see otherwise. In fact, this game now defaults to a ps3 game, when it used to default to a 360 game. now you have to deliberately search for it on 360 in the bottom roster, under the paid links... which ironically from talking about it on boards, 360 players are the most enthusiatic crowd looking forward to the game, and historically can expect the best response to online gameplay, support, and company.

still, this game is mine next week, and ACTIVISION and RAVEN both make great games all around.

QUOTE(raum @ Oct 22 2006, 12:07 AM) um, this whole "Gen1 ps3"vs "Gen2 360" game is a myth propigated by Sony.
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it's a myth?! propagated by Sony?!?


but well... you might be right about the images... you know... I need to then trust people who have seen both. Most of them are saying "ps3 has a slight visual advantage" for most games (as witnessed in my previous posts in this topic). In fact, I have yet to come accross a review which says the opposite.