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Thats not what I meant, you took my words out of context. Me saying, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," is I can't judge them on the actions that they have taken. I whole-heartedly believe that abortion is wrong and that people need to step up to their responsibilities. Now in saying that are you willing to open up your home to every child that has been discarded like trash. How many children will you take in out the cold and also take them out of the hot sun and place them in the shade. Abortion has a positive and negative affect. Is killing an unborn child really hurting a child I mean that parent is sparring that child the constant worrying feeling of not know who your parents are and why they left you. I mean you can imagine the thoughts of a child who is going through the adoption process, the constant, WHY.
The parent is in a way sacrificing there soul whether they know it or not, sure the act my be selfish but if you take a look at it on the other side it isn't because we are living in hell and that child who was killed for selfish reasons was spared the torment of going through life with the constant WHY and we all know that the child services system isn't the best there is. Thats why this topic of right and wrong is for GOD and GOD only, we only have opinions. You have to look at the whole picture.

QUOTE(theseeker)Thats not what I meant, you took my words out of context. Me saying, \"let he who is without sin cast the first stone,\" is I can't judge them on the actions that they have taken. I whole-heartedly believe that abortion is wrong and that people need to step up to their responsibilities. Now in saying that are you willing to open up your home to every child that has been discarded like trash. How many children will you take in out the cold and also take them out of the hot sun and place them in the shade. Abortion has a positive and negative affect. Is killing an unborn child really hurting a child I mean that parent is sparring that child the constant worrying feeling of not know who your parents are and why they left you. I mean you can imagine the thoughts of a child who is going through the adoption process, the constant, WHY.  
The parent is in a way sacrificing there soul whether they know it or not, sure the act my be selfish but if you take a look at it on the other side it isn't because we are living in hell and that child who was killed for selfish reasons was spared the torment of going through life with the constant WHY and we all know that the child services system isn't the best there is. Thats why this topic of right and wrong is for GOD and GOD only, we only have opinions. You have to look at the whole picture.

Aight....let's get some things straight.

If you follow the Bible so much, then you would know that as Christians, God told us to stand up against what is wrong and what He doesn't like. He also told us that we can call something wrong (judge them). We have that power through Christ. We are suppose to stand up for what is right...that includes judging that something is wrong.

I think that you are mistaking when God said that vengance is His, not judging. There is a difference.

I don't like that you just come in and change the way this thread is going. It was set perfectly well and we were having a good discussion. Quit trying to change the way everything is going on here. Accept what we are talking about and respond with what you believe.

I want to hear your opinion but don't change the thread. If you want to talk about something else, make another thread.

if we are able to judge, then we should be able to take vengeance...

i dont think we can judge, for then we would be as God (here comes the relativism thing again lol)

But regarding abortion, I still feel that the focus should be on changing the mindset of the girl so she wont get in situations where she has to choose...

That's what I was trying to say before (about changin the mindset).

As soon as we say something is wrong or call a person wierd or whatever, we are judging them. If we couldn't judge people, that must mean that there isn't any right or wrong. If there isn't any right or wrong, then why do we have laws?

CDR...you're right...we're getting back to the relativism topic!

Gentlemen....start your engines!!!

If you refuse to look at the whole question then you refuse to see the truth. My response is apart of the thread. THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH. I have a friend who said he was pro life until he got someone knocked up and then his whole view changed. He had the female get an abortion. Now me as a believer in god and a father and a husband told him he was wrong and I threw everything he said in the past in his face. But in the end the decision lies with the two of them and the judgement lies with the god.

Now the other aspect of it is since you are prolife..

HOW MANY KIDS HAVE YOU TAKEN IN BY PEOPLE WHO DECIDED FOR PROLIFE BUT NOT "PRO-RESPONSIBILITY"?????

Get a couple of years and a little more expierence under your belt.

OPEN MINDED DECISIONS

QUOTE(theseeker)HOW MANY KIDS HAVE YOU TAKEN IN BY PEOPLE WHO DECIDED FOR PROLIFE BUT NOT \"PRO-RESPONSIBILITY\"?????

Is this a direct question asking me how many kids I've adopted instead of them being aborted? If it is, the anwer is none. That doesn't mean that what I say isn't true or that I don't believe what I say. I've personally never been in the situation of having to abort a kid. My friend did abort her kid. I tried to talk her out of it and almost did until the father threatened her into getting the kid aborted. That doesn't mean that my point of view changes. Ultimatly the decision does lie with the person getting the abortion...but that doesn't make it right. People make bad decisions all the time. Yes, the FINAL judgement ends up in God's hands, but I can still tell her I disagree with her decision...that is judging her in a way.

QUOTE(theseeker)Get a couple of years and a little more expierence under your belt.

You should know that I am very smart for my age and that I do know alot more that people twice my age. I'm not saying that to brag at all....but I know what I'm talking about. I may not have that much experience in abortion, but I know what I'm talking about and what I mean.

Don't tell me to get a few more years under my belt and to get more experience. You don't even know me.

I don't have to know you to read what you write. "Life is learning and learning is life." All I am saying is that you need to get some more experiences under you belt thats it. Smart doesnt = Common sense. Common sense doesnt = Smart. So whether or not you do more than people half your age doesnt matter. Because in this subject you havent experienced enough or you refuse to look at both sides of the spectrum

See, you can't say that about me. I have looked at both sides of the issue. That's how I came to believe what I believe. I look at both sides from a neutral point of view before I come up with what I believe. After I do that, I stand firm in what I believe because I know it's true from the reseach I have done. Simple as that.

This has nothing to do with common sense. I believe what I believe because it makes sense to me and when you know both sides, you become smart.

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I don't know if I was the first one to say it, but..I'm starting proper formulation of the Social Relativism shit pronto...!

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