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I didn't say Obama was exempt from being funded by the corporates.
I simply answered blixa's question in regards to who funded McCain.

actually, i answered his question. even provided a list.

raum wrote:Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008

Obama and McCain both have ties to troubled mortgage giants

Source: http://snipurl.com/3p5la

raum wrote:....and not one conservative Republican, Democrat, or Independent.

Article Highlights:

A New York investor, Geoffrey Boisi, a member of Freddie Mac's board, contributed more than $70,000 to McCain and Republican Party committees working for his election. Both he and a Fannie Mae lobbyist. Richard Hohlt, are among the McCain "bundlers" who have raised from $100,000 to $250,000 from others, according to the campaign Web site.

McCain counts six contributors from a Republican lobbying and consulting firm, Fierce Isakowitz and Blalock, for $13,250 in the current campaign, according to campaign finance records.

Obama's contributors include a Freddie Mac senior vice president, Robert Tsien, and two directors, William Lewis Jr., a banker at Lazard, and Brenda Gaines, a Chicago businesswomen. He does not accept contributions from lobbyists, but Obama has been a favorite of Fannie Mae employees and their political action committee, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.


The center said he received $122,850, of which $101,150 was from Fannie Mae. While the two companies have long been careful to hire and contribute to both parties, generally Fannie Mae has favored Democrats and Freddie Mac the Republicans.

More than Obama, McCain's circle of advisers and contributors includes current and former lobbyists or directors for the companies, though since July he has called for a ban on any lobbying by the two firms.

Among the companies' past advocates are McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, a longtime lobbyist; McCain's confidant and adviser Charlie Black, whose firm worked for Freddie Mac for several years ending in 2005; and his deputy campaign finance chairman, Wayne Berman, a vice president of Ogilvy Worldwide, the advertising and marketing firm, and a former Fannie Mae lobbyist. Davis once was head of the Homeownership Alliance, a coalition of banks, mortgage lenders and other housing industry interests led by Fannie and Freddie to stave off proposed regulations or government fees.

raum wrote:....and not one conservative Republican, Democrat, or Independent.

McCain is unfortunately not a Conservative, or I would have a clear voting path. This year is horrible for the independent, as ron paul did not run, Nader is ineffective with policy but brilliant with money, and The Green Party for some fucking reason is endorsing a socialist ex-democrat senator who punched a cop on Capital Hill!!!

anyways, McCain is clearly a Republican Neo-Conservative.
I am not a fan of the "neo-con" movement, and have never voted Republican.
for me, this is not a Obama vs. McCain thing... It is a "well if not Paul, who might be worth my vote." Sorry, if I need to distinguish that.

Also, not to defend him from the influence of lobbyist (no senator could possibly be, plainly), but keep in mind McCain retired his funding to the RNP and can not raise money for himself. Any funds he raises are the RNP's. This is done specifically from allowing kick-ins or pullouts after the candidates are chosen, or ties for specific contributions. Obama is still running on money personally collected. McCain voted to abolish public funds for campaigns in 1994, and though it was shot down, he is running his campaign that way. (Biden voted against)

I support all major party candidates doing this.

sidenote: McCain also voted to privatise these institutions (and student loan branch Sallie Mae which contributed to this mess) a long time ago, and is reiterating his assertion to do this. I also support that. (Biden voted against). Obama supports this decision as well, but then again he and mcCain have voted in common a good deal since Obama has been in congress.

Bro, you know I have no idea (and I don't think I want one) about political terms..."Neo-Conservative"...?!?! I have to CDR at myself because I honestly don't have the ability to grasp the meaning of these things...Conservative, liberal...Sigh..The definitions are lost on me, I'm ignorant...I just learned what GOP meant at the conventions..."Conservative Republican"...I didn't understand to be something different than 'republican' so my bad...I thought a conservative and a republican were the same thing, didn't realize they were interchangeable and combinable...

Kumicho wrote:Bro, you know I have no idea (and I don't think I want one) about political terms..."Neo-Conservative"...?!?! I have to CDR at myself because I honestly don't have the ability to grasp the meaning of these things...Conservative, liberal...Sigh..The definitions are lost on me, I'm ignorant...I just learned what GOP meant at the conventions..."Conservative Republican"...I didn't understand to be something different than 'republican' so my bad...I thought a conservative and a republican were the same thing, didn't realize they were interchangeable and combinable...

That's ok.

Republican and Democrat are parties of candidacy. Conservatism and Liberalism are phiolosphies on how American sovereignty is best demonstrated; globally or domestically, and to what degree the governement should intervene with the right of every american to enjoy Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" were imposed by Socialists and are the reason our courts system eats about 60% of our country's revenues on average.

Neo-Conservatives broke away from Liberals (supposedly). Liberals who saw them as traitors labeled them "Neo"Conservatives as an insult. The basically believe the US should lead the world with all its power, and rewards countries that recognize American dominance. Reagan was a neo-con. They have a world mission of globalization and extending American sentiments. The main method of this is from gifting large amounts of the gains from America to them to demonstrate our system works. The auxllary method is helping them in their own military attempts to establish and maintain sovereignty.

Conservatives were established by Ben Franklin in the "Federalist Papers." They believe America for Americans, and American first. Every other country is free to be awesome or suck. We won't mess with them, BUT GOD HELP THEM IF THEY MESS WITH US. They do not vie for opinion from other countries, but exist as global citizen, not a leader... and feel no obligation for a mandatory international system of goodwill. Not because they think it is bad, but because they believe in the absolute truth that any system of imposed goodwill is inevitably doomed to be corrupted. Thus, all goodwill should be on an independent basis so the corruption of it is something to which the donor and recipient are accountable. They simply believe in securing the nation for the rights and prosperity of its citizens, and the enforment that tenets of lifestyle be enforced by local positions and states rights. There are few of us left.

If you are for NATO or the UN, you are in no way a Conservative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7D8A7e4TEY

Nudge nudge ;) ;)

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 9688.story

April 27, 2008
WASHINGTON -- After an unsuccessful campaign for Congress in 2000, Illinois state Sen. Barack Obama faced serious financial pressure: numerous debts, limited cash and a law practice he had neglected for a year. Help arrived in early 2001 from a significant new legal client -- a longtime political supporter.

Chicago entrepreneur Robert Blackwell Jr. paid Obama an $8,000-a-month retainer to give legal advice to his growing technology firm, Electronic Knowledge Interchange. It allowed Obama to supplement his $58,000 part-time state Senate salary for over a year with regular payments from Blackwell's firm that eventually totaled $112,000.

A few months after receiving his final payment from EKI, Obama sent a request on state Senate letterhead urging Illinois officials to provide a $50,000 tourism promotion grant to another Blackwell company, Killerspin.

Killerspin specializes in table tennis, running tournaments nationwide and selling its own line of equipment and apparel and DVD recordings of the competitions. With support from Obama, other state officials and an Obama aide who went to work part time for Killerspin, the company eventually obtained $320,000 in state grants between 2002 and 2004 to subsidize its tournaments.

Obama's staff said the senator advocated only for the first year's grant -- which ended up being $20,000, not $50,000. The day after Obama wrote his letter urging the awarding of the state funds, Obama's U.S. Senate campaign received a $1,000 donation from Blackwell.

So, getting paid on retainer from a company owned by a guy who owns another buiness that you are supporting get STATE TOURISM dollars with his privately owned national for personal profit ping-pong tournaments and sports gear, for the record, is a felony, and typical crooked politics.

raum wrote:So, getting paid on retainer from a company owned by a guy who owns another buiness that you are supporting get STATE TOURISM dollars with his privately owned national for personal profit ping-pong tournaments and sports gear, for the record, is a felony, and typical crooked politics.

The article, as you pointed out, said he wrote a letter on a State letterhead a few months after receiving his final payment from EKI...Why'd you mention the word felony..? Even the mayor of Chicago supported the Killerspin project, which apparently was a great success for the city of Chicago...Furthermore, it goes on to say:

Article wrote:Today, Illinois Tourism Director Jan Kosner lauds the state's decision to support the table tennis tourneys and dismisses the role that letters from politicians play in the grant-making process.

Where's the 'crooked' in all of that..?

kumicho wrote: The article, as you pointed out, said he wrote a letter on a State letterhead a few months after receiving his final payment from EKI...Why'd you mention the word felony..? Even the mayor of Chicago supported the Killerspin project, which apparently was a great success for the city of Chicago...Furthermore, it goes on to say:

Even if it is a good idea, and a great success... it was not on his disclosure forms that he was getting paid by a man who was his employer and who he was backing in another project for state funds. That is called "financial interlocking" and while legal in the private sectore, it is a federal offense for this to result in government funds. it also makes the political campaign funds he recieved from Blackwell criminal, and a form of Laundering that is a felony punishable up to 10 years in prison (usually served on parole).

By his own admission, in Audacity of Hope, this was a time when Obama was a State Senator and could barely make his own credit card payments.

This is what Tom DeLay was unseated from congress for. He was indicted.

Article wrote:Today, Illinois Tourism Director Jan Kosner lauds the state's decision to support the table tennis tourneys and dismisses the role that letters from politicians play in the grant-making process.

Where's the 'crooked' in all of that..?[/quote]

Obama got paid for "legal advice" he never gave, in exchange for support of a government grant. His connections to ACORN and AmeriCorp will be the exact same way. You know ACORN right, the group he was a Community Organizer with. A group that gets 40% of its revenue from Tax Dollars. A group that settled in July for the largest case of voter fraud in history of the American Justice System (related to Senatorial elections the overthrew Congress).