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I am having a tough time with that question as well, LoL...

Are you meaning to ask:

Whether or not we can measure progression using time, would that measurement be relevant outside? of our minds (like travelling on the astral plane)..?

QUOTE(trashtalkr)QUOTE(aldo)it's been scientifically proved that our perception of time is faster when we are having fun.
..and slower in times of boredom and shock or emergencies. think about, in an emergency our sense of time is slower, therefore we can react to it better (think car accidents).

my .02

Yea, it is our perception of time that changes, but that doesn't mean that time is only in our minds. Time doesn't actually move faster or slower for one person while it's different for another.

How is it scientifically proven?

i only meant it in a psychological sense. of course our psychology is totally independent of physics.

AYHJA, the definitions are getting a little blurred..Do you feel there is a past, present, and future in progression? Or only in Time? If you said no to the first, yes to the second then it is agreed that Time is only in our minds..

QUOTE(mrniceguy)This is an \"If a tree falls in the woods, does it still make a sound\" kind of question. So whats the anwswer to this question?

Ehh...

Does a sound require you to hear it to be a sound..? Does your hearing define sound, or is sound a mechanical radiant energy that is transmitted by longitudinal pressure waves in a material medium (as air) and is the objective cause of hearing..?

@ DeEje...

Are you understanding what I mean when I say time is a tool..? I think you are assigning time itself too many values, giving it properties that it doesn't warrant or deserve...Time doesn't have a past, present, or future, as it doesn't require one...It is used to make relative marks in progression, and always from perspective...

Your question is based on time being in our minds...Time is a MEASUREMENT OF PROGRESSION...Time is finite...Progression is infinite...Time is based on numbers, which is ultimately a limited system...Time makes points on a line that does not end, and has a beginning that the human mind cannot comprehend...

Just like a speedometer does not determine the speed of a moving vehicle, it simply reports it in a way you can understand it...Time does this for progression, ala the 4th dimension...

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So there was no beginning to time, except once we were able to use it as a tool in our own minds?

This is what I was trying to say in my first post..

I am still not following your question, as you ask, "So there was no beginning to time," and that's what's confusing me, if not you...If you agree that time is an observation of progression, then it is logical to assume that time began with the first man, as he observed his first day come and go...

To go back as far as we can to try and chart progression, you can only start with the age of the known universe...It is the more general idea that the universe began with the "big bang," somewhere between 10 to 20 billion years ago...Widely accepted, but largely unproveable...If you were to have a starting point that could gather a little mustard in the human mind, there you go...

If you want to use the bible as a base for the creation of man, you can roll with 4000 B.C., using the geneology presented in the good book as the beginning of observed progession, with one assuming that observation of the sun rising and falling brought about a new day...Marking the position of our great star's movements, and thus creating time...

Of course there are other factors that come into the making of time, but it was probably more of a sensation that you would experience the minute you were conscious of it...Time may not have existed for you as an idividual until you were able to understand what tomorrow meant...Time would happen upon us one way or another, whether we called it that or not...