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Like this guy.... :tur:

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QUOTE(Carson Palmer)\"He's unbelievable...\"

Well, 10 and O now. Survived a shootout with a good Bengals offence. I stand by my original position that Manning is a halfway decent QB to have on yer team.

lmao! half-way decent! Man, I'd want him running my show

I've never said he isn't a good QB....I just hate the fact that he is toted as an NFL GOD...because he isn't. He plays within the system..and they win games. You ask people why the Colts are 10-0...and people say "CUZ DEY GOT PAY-TON!!!!"

I just don't like how people attach on to whatever the media says and run with it like its undisputable word from the good book.

If a crew of college football analysts came on and said "Pac 10 is the best conferrance in college football".....the national opinion would completely change, regardless of the fact that statistics point to the SEC.

OK LG, I'm kinda struggling to see your point...

Are you saying that the Colts could win with...Hmmm...Trent Dilfer at QB..? Peyton Manning is FAR from an offensive caretaker now, c'mon...He can make all the throws, is head strong, and I'm not sure how many other QB's can master an offense like he has...I don't know another QB that is allowed to call his own plays...Given the speed of the NFL game, and the complex nature of playbooks (I've seen one, and them shits look like Norton anthologies Str8 up) him playing within the system means nothing, if he can't make the plays Homez...

Stick another QB in the Colts offense, and tell me you see them undefeated...The only QB I think could run that offense like that is Tommy Brady...Manning gets it done...

** chanting **

Cut that meat....Cut that meat..!!!!

I see....Brady, Palmer, Culpepper, McNabb, Eli....I see tons of QB's in that offense man.....and no...contrary to common belief....Peyton doesn't make up his own plays....he just knows when to call speific audibles...which, not takin anything away from that, is a great ability....but the man isn't drawing plays in the dirt when he reads blitz...he just screams out the audible......

Peyton is doing well, I'm more aruging about his ability away from the system.....if he was on the Patriots...do they win all those superbowls.....if he's on the Bears right now...are they undefeated?

Thats more the question I'm posing.

"Brady, Palmer, Culpepper, McNabb, Eli...." - you're not exactly scraping the bottom of the barrel here with NFL QBs.

There's no way to know exactly how Peyton would do in those counterfactual situations that you pose. But let me have a go. Peyton with the Pats: yes - all those Charlie Weiss five WR packages, or those dinky TE screens? I think he'd do okay. And he'd have the Pats defence (prior to this season) on his side. So, no getting picked off all the time by Ty Law, beaten up by Harrison and Vrabel, except maybe in practice.

Peyton with da Bears in 2005? Maybe - he'd certainly be an upgrade from Kyle Orton. Again solid running game, great defence, last year's TD champ amongst WRs to throw to and a weak ass division to play in.

OK, I see what you mean now LG, but shit, I'm feeling what khan said, those cats you named ain't exactly piss poor, but I don't think I'm ready to put McNabb, Culpepper, and Eli in the same boat as the QB that has the single most prolific passing season on record, and a 3 time Superbowl QB...

We aren't just talking about physical tools....And he has a great team around him no doubt...But the QB is the most crucial position on the field...Peyton has to know what everybody is doing...If audibling was easy, shit every QB would do it...And on top of that, its not mastery of just Colts offense, its opposing teams defenses as well...

I wouldn't say that the Colts are pushing other teams shit in JUST because of Peyton, but he certainly gets a great deal of credit for them doing well, just like he gets a great deal of blame when they loose...Manning is the FIRST person to say that HE let the team down...

You were saying that he isn't amazing just because he doesn't call his own plays? It's quite an amazing thing to be able to read defenses like he does and be able to audible into something that works. To me, that's prolly one of the greatest qualities to have in a QB