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The only rapper I don't like is Fiddy. He's such a bitch. I can't stand his crap.

Now Busta Rhymes...that's a rap artist I can listen to.

yay, i get to bash LG.

hey, Pete is just using hate as a synonym of "dislike." I'm pretty sure he don't run around bashing rappers in they grill.

He's aussie, therefore excused. Heya Pete, what's the temper on about the Muslims there?

LG,

Hate is usually based in ignorance opr fear, which he professes of the whole "urban" image, and thus Pete's use of the word indicates he is ignorant of the merits of rap, which has that origin. He is also aussie, and the aggression and explicit criminal expressions in american hip hop is totally lost on most international audiences, as their music is pretty tame by the explicit standards of American music. Remember that, politically, Freedom of Speech is an American idea.

We as a culture have to accept that a huge component of rap is resentment for the corruption inherit in american society due to lack of reparation of the civil war torn south, and the integration of immigrants allowed citizenship in exchange for generations of slavery. This is the cre of the system as defined by the opponents of the *elite* influences that predominate it. This is not a element most other countries a. admit openly, or b. have allowed to exist this long without resolution.

Most international support for hip hop is from a desire to be more like Americans or to provoke racial injustice or retribution. In Japan you see the typical fan; a young man in a rainbow brite t-shirt wearing skin tight bootleg levi's and a leather bomber jacket, head bobbin as he be manglin tupacs words, and tries to comprehend what the hell Pac is saying. He'll say he LOVES that "gangsa jit" but in fact he don't understand a damn thing about it.

The real element of american culture and history that allows for hip hop has ,that no other country has is the Wild West, and the gold rush. Those unregulated days are the basis of gang activity, and still influence the image,.. complete with bandana, slang, and handsigns (which they adopted from American Indians as a means of communicating in secret).

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But if the motivations and cultural opressions that mutate themselves into the basis of what rap is supposed to be protrayed as...is foreign to people not from america....how is it NOT ignorant for them to form an opinion on something they know nothing about....Granted, its not their fault that they don't know about it....but if I told Pete i hate that aussie bullshit cause it sounds so....austrailian......dude would get pissed and call me ignorant....and rightfully so.

If you're uneducated on a topic yet you continue to form judgements based on poor sterotypes that you've heard....you are ignorant

Listen to Talib Kweli and tell me if you still hate rap.

I see where you comin from, I hate a lot of mainstream.

Immortal Technique
Talib Kweli
Atmosphere
Jay-Z
Papoose

That's my top 5, all of them got a few 10/10 albums imo

QUOTE(Lost Ghost)Hey Pete....stop being ignorant about music dude.......I HATE people who say \"rap music is all about killing and guns and hoes\".......no its not....not at all actually....until you know what its about completely.....dont judge it.

You listen to the first song of a CD and if you dont like it you throw it away? I doubt it.


and even if rap is about that....you can make the same case for ALL music.


I hate that metal and shit kinda music...its all about killing yourself......i hate that christain music...its all about god...... i hate the country music...its all about getting drunk and marrying your sister.


how about \" I dislike rap music\"?

Dont be ignorant if you dont have to be...


Dislike is a better word to describe my feeling towards rap & hiphop. It's just is a very strong dislike.


Yes, I bloody "hate" when I hear rap and hiphop music, but I don't hate rap and hiphop artists individually. I wouldn't bash someone up just because they may like rap "music", or made rap "music".



I am not ignorant, the stuff I said is what I hear in modern rap and hiphop. I think about it alot.

And I genuinely think that it doesn't seem very credible, not musical. I don't hate all rap and hiphop in general.

QUOTE(Lost Ghost)But if the motivations and cultural opressions that mutate themselves into the basis of what rap is supposed to be protrayed as...is foreign to people not from america....how is it NOT ignorant for them to form an opinion on something they know nothing about....Granted, its not their fault that they don't know about it....but if I told Pete i hate that aussie bullshit cause it sounds so....austrailian......dude would get pissed and call me ignorant....and rightfully so.

If you're uneducated on a topic yet you continue to form judgements based on poor sterotypes that you've heard....you are ignorant


I am not as uneducated on the topic as you may think. Yes there is more I can learn about it, but I now than I express.


It may not be as ingrained in local society as it is in America, but I can tell you that I'm SURROUNDED by rap and hiphop. It's everywhere. And that adds to fuel of my dislike towards it.

As I explained in my first post, it's the "urban" image that forms part of the root of my dislike. To me it seems ignorant, in a way. And I can tell you, I have a similar feeling towards country music.

Both are so STEREOTYPICAL, so cliche. It's not like you can just tap on a wall to make a beat, you have to go full-on with all the accessories, whether it's the cowboy hat and boots and flannelette shirts etc. or bandanas and jewellery and stuff etc., to be part of those things.

I think, "just because they live out west, do they really have to be full-on country bumpkin hicks?" Same goes for the urban situation.

In fact the same goes with all music. For instance I love metal- thrash speed metal especially. But I don't go walking around in black t-shirt and jeans and long hair that hasn't been washed in week, doing the devil "horns" and shouting "FUCK YEAH!" at everything I think is cool.




And LostGhost, although I am very proud of my Australian heritage, I can tell you that sometimes it bugs me, just too cliche and sterotyped, overdone. There was a news report that said 50% of people ina survey said it was "un-Australian" to not drink alcohol. I thought "what a heap of bollocks! You can't tell me what nationality and culture I am just because of what I drink!" That REALLY riled me up!



So I guess, what really has come out of this discussion, is that I dislike how modern rap and hiphop is so CLICHE and stereotyped, and that it seems ignorant and stuck. At least to what I've been exposed to.

QUOTE(raum)Heya Pete, what's the temper on about the Muslims there?


I really don't understand it. I have no problem with Muslims at all. Religion to me is regardless in determining a person's character. Although I do respect someone who has faith in something good, no matter what that may be (not something stupid like in orange, or celeb-sheep etc.).

I think it is just propoganda, that being Muslim means you're a terrorist. There's this "shoot to kill" law now in place, which I think is WRONG and inhumanitarian. Can't they at least use tranquiliser darts?
Okay, I happen to have dark curly hair and a dark olive complexion (with bad truckie arm...). So if I'm walking down the street somewhere and some ARSEHOLE decides to blow everything up, I hear the bang and run for cover, then the Army come along and see what I look like and blast me to smitherines? Do you call that just?


I hate the government. I resent elitist and superioritist dominance and their discrimination of other peoples.
I am not anti-Liberal, but I certainly want a new Prime Minister that, if they happen to be in that specific political party, will stick by its fundamental principles and not blatantly suck up to the current US government...

But I have no plans to form or join an opposing movement, which proves your statement.
But I certainly do hope things will change for the better, and vote when needed.


Hmmm, I just realised that this particular post is not off-topic. In fact it helps explain my "hatred" of rap and hiphop.

I dislike modern rap and hiphop, because I feel it has strayed away from its fundamental principles, and become a cliche, materialistic, and stereotyped form. I guess that also supports my statements that I think modern rap does not seem genuine and "unmusical", I feel that there is no underlying genuine purpose or strive in the music, which degrades it of quality.

My internet connection cut out while writing that. Lucky that the post still went through!

When I say "I feel that there is no underlying genuine purpose or strive in the music, which degrades it of quality", that doesn't mean I only like serious, gloomy, strong-statement songs. I respect AND enjoy light-hearted fun stuff, remember, that music should be ENTERTAINMENT.



How wierd, I am right now listening to a song (and album) called ...And Justice For All, which pretty much is a big middle finger towards the corruption and injustice of right-wing government...