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Look... regardless what any of you think of me my point for posting this thread was to discuss the topic. What it has turned into a people attempting to bash on me and push their own little agenda with me. I know there is a ban thread on me... and? I won't apologize for having a point of view. I'm not sorry for thinking that Kobe is selfish and golf isn't a sport. If that†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬‚¢¢¢¬…¾

‚¢s what pissed you off so bad, then you need to mellow out and stop the control freak thing.

You asked me to stop posting on EVERY topic... I did. You asked me to stay on topic... I did. You asked me to back up my Kobe feelings and I did that too with article after article from 2004. You want to know why I don't view golf as a sport and I gave you MY reasons. It's not like I am the only person on the face of the Earth who doesn't think Golf should be held the same regards as Football or Baseball. I am not sure Kobe Bryant would appreciate being compared to Tiger Woods athletically. As athletes go, Tiger is not athletic. What does he do that constitutes athletic? Swinging a club... walking from hole to hole? THAT†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬‚¢¢¢¬…¾

‚¢S ALL HE DOES. How in the hell is that athletic. Walking without falling down is athletic? Swinging a club and hitting a stationary ball is athletic? I know... I know... I've said that. Ok, so hitting the ball where you want it to go more times than not is athletic? Is Darts an athletic event? Is mini-golf an athletic event? I mean it is just putting with obstacles right?

My point is simply this: I don't agree with you guys on Golf as a sport. I still think Kobe is selfish and I gave you the articles that say how he forced the Lakers to choose. But, I have done what was asked of me. I stopped posting so much. I stopped trolling. I gave reasons for my feelings. And, I backed it up with articles. Now, if that still isn't good enough, then I would like to know what is wanted from me now.

what kind of bashing was I doing? What's my agenda?

you are just ignorant of the game, and its demands. I am talking about pros.

do the math,

18 holes of 40 wood or 3 iron average light-weight two times a week for 16 weeks x's 3 seasons, that 3800+ muscle contractions in three pro years... with a typical superior lightweight composite iron, that's over 70,000 pounds of drive in three years of a total of 48 weeks!

that is more on the field action than a quarterback's arm would see in over 20 years, of six touchdowns a game, and for a bagger, that is a full body extension.

maybe a complete slob could play a slack game of sub par, but to be a REAL pro, and not just golf's equivalent of a benched reserve like some lackluster in the nba who never sees the court, you would have to practice, be we have already seen a bagger of three years, pulls more pounds of drive than an ENTIRE hockey team. the difference, is Golf doesn't happen in real time, it is a game of patience, and thus even idiots can walk the green between champions.

so sure, think what you want about a bagger, and define "sport" how you want, and yeah maybe a bagger can even have a gut, but damn if he aint got a demanding physical task if he wants to come up under par. and damn if tourney golf don't require physical prowess.

and if you think Tiger couldn't play without *his* clubs, I know you nothing of golf. I used to play off the tee with my cane better than my partner with a pro driver.

Golf is 60% intense awareness of self and surroundings and 40% pure physical body memory and endurance control.

and once you play a single game that isn't for fun that you are in the zone on a decent score, you can come back and re-examine what you think you know about golf.

I know you're not trying to say a golfer has to do more than a quarterback. When that same golfer has to dodge other golfers trying to tackle him before he hits the ball, then we can talk. Until then, golf is a game that is hard to play and takes alot of practice at to be good.

Maybe I don't respect the game because I've never played it. Maybe I don't understand how tired I would be after 18 holes. But, if an 80 year old that is not in even "good" shape can go out there and play 18 holes, I am sure I can manage too. Golf may be hard... golf may be challenging, but don't even try and compare a golfer to a quarterback. Now YOU are the one who is crazy IMO. And, thats all this is... my opinion.

fine. is the field goal kicker an athlete? he doesn't get tackled.

what about a power lifter? he hardly moves at all.

NFL players don't even consider the kicker an Athlete... so am I supposed to? Power lifting is a sport because it takes physical prowess to do it. Golf does not take any special physical attributes that I am aware of. I've never seen some ripped up golfer before. They are either skinny as hell or overweight.

Golf is a hard game to play, I will give you that. But a golfer as an athlete... I don't know. Nobody here has given me a reason to view golf as athletic. Raum trying to compare a golfer as being more athletic than a QB just pushed me further away. I would say that I am about 60-40 that a golfer is not an athlete. I would say it is close, but I will not tip the scales in their favor just because the game is difficult. Chess is difficult, but they aren't athletes either.

chess requires no muscle memory. it is a game of strategy, contingent to interchanged moves. with Golf, WHICH IS NOT PLAYED IN REAL TIME, you play against an ideal score an compete for overall "perfection".

i never said a golfer is MORE athletic than a pro golfer. i just said a golfer delivers much more physical exertion in delivery of a ball to a goal than a quarterback's arm, and for a golfer it is more body-involved flexibility, because of the waist snap. that snap a quartback is cherished for is not the sum total of the force, or coordination he needs. i am not trying to downplay a QB. by any means


and needless to say this doesn't apply to people screwing around on the green, or 80 year old men looking to get some exercise. pro-golfers have a very demanding life, and the muscles they need have to be developed if they want a good green. compare them causal golfers to a person screwing around in the yard with a ball, tossing a couple of passes or just chillin with some friends playing touch at a picnic, or playing H.O.R.S.E. in the parking lot. they are not the cut. and neither am I, or you.

Ok, but just because golf requires muscle memory to get the swing down, is that enough to classify him as an athlete? I mean darts requires muscle memory to hit the bullseye.

I want to get on board Raum... maybe I just need to STFU and play a round then talk... I get that. But, from my perspective, golf isn't an activity that is athletic. It is a game that requires practice.

Take a lesson from me:


I went to type a reply to this thread....talking about QB's and Tiger and then I re read it....and realized not only did I not know wtf I was talking about...but it made no sense....

So what did I do? Deleted it and was just going to move on to the next thread....


What's that saying about having something to say....and having to say something?

I'm not talking for the sake of talking. I am stating my view and defending it. This is what any good message board should be about†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬¢‚¬Å¡‚¦ getting different points of view, discussing them, understanding them and either agree, disagree, or agree to disagree. I am willing to agree to disagree about golf being a sport. I see what is being said and I appreciate it for what it is... a hard game. But, I won't back down from Kobe. The guy is selfish and I proved my point of view with the articles.

I've backed off the posting, but I won't back off my opinions. That†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬‚¢¢¢¬…¾

‚¢s what makes this a free country... the ability to have a view points that NOBODY else agrees with and have it be OK. Guys.... it is perfectly ok to not agree with others. I mean what is up with some of your attitudes and this funky ass all minds are one mind crap. So what if I think Golf is a game not a sport. So what if I think Kobe is selfish. I mean hell, so what if I post 1000 messages in my first month. What difference does ANY of that really make?

Maybe I get picked on now because I am the kid who is circled in red for the substitute. Maybe I deserve some of it for my previous posting behavior. But, I will not be intimidated or influenced to back down from my opinions. It's not like I am racist or prejudice... just don't think Golf is a sport and don't think Kobe is a "team" player.

When was Kobe brought up in this thread?

That continues to prove the point that all you do is repeat everything over and over.....theres no reason you should mention Kobe in here....

It's too late for me to do any more talking..