QUOTE(trashtalkr @ Oct 17 2006, 01:59 PM) Are you serious? The Bible is filled with historical facts and there is plenty of evidence for it. Archaeological digs and studies have been done to prove that the Bible is accurate
Not at all, there's even serious doubts regarding the ancient story of Israel regarding the house of david, but the important thing about the bible is not the exactitude of it's statements from a historical point of view, it's the ethic message that matters, and is proyected as a metaphor whose interpretation has to evolve with society 'cos it wouldn't be possible for 0 d.c society to accept or consider some things we now accept as normal and derived from the bible message.
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QUOTE(raum @ Oct 17 2006, 03:08 PM) I don't think you understand religion, if that is your stance... Religion discerns and informs people of the spiritual and cultural heritage bestowed upon them. many people were doing it for many different reasons. you seem to not really understand the authorship of the bible.
I do understand religion fairly well, and always saw it as something on a parallel plane relative to science, science thus has nothing to say about the ethic message on the bible, same as religion dosn't have a saying about science because of that paralelism.
QUOTE(raum @ Oct 17 2006, 03:08 PM) but what of those other than Christianity. what of Taoism? What of the Kumulipo? or do you throw religion out with the bathwater of Christianity?
metaphors? not all metaphor is ignorance or idiocy. and not all religion is metaphor, and not all religions are book based. metaphor is a tool,.. Symbol is man's greatest tool, when precise.
Metaphor is a tool, abused by religion and what's worse, taken as truth by zealots. As I said could you explain and convince a hebrew from 44 d.c that women have the smae rights as men under god? Not at all, the reason is that idea requires a cultural and social maturity that society didn't had at that time -and ours, 2000 years later, still has a lot to do regarding that issue for example-.
QUOTE(raum @ Oct 17 2006, 03:08 PM) you are surely just being silly.
An Ad hominem attack, good!
QUOTE(raum @ Oct 17 2006, 03:08 PM) huff puff science is solid,.. are you really that delusional? You speak of the quantum as definitive, and don't seem to understand that quantum science is perhaps the only greater hall dedicated to dispute and interpretation than the friggin Vatican!
Have I said anything about quantum as definitive? Not at all, please check your references. By the way, using fallacies of extension doesn't fit you.
I do understand religion fairly well, and always saw it as something on a parallel plane relative to science, science thus has nothing to say about the ethic message on the bible, same as religion dosn't have a saying about science because of that paralelism.
QUOTE(raum @ Oct 17 2006, 03:08 PM) but what of those other than Christianity. what of Taoism? What of the Kumulipo? or do you throw religion out with the bathwater of Christianity?
metaphors? not all metaphor is ignorance or idiocy. and not all religion is metaphor, and not all religions are book based. metaphor is a tool,.. Symbol is man's greatest tool, when precise.
Metaphor is a tool, abused by religion and what's worse, taken as truth by zealots. As I said could you explain and convince a hebrew from 44 d.c that women have the smae rights as men under god? Not at all, the reason is that idea requires a cultural and social maturity that society didn't had at that time -and ours, 2000 years later, still has a lot to do regarding that issue for example-.
QUOTE(raum @ Oct 17 2006, 03:08 PM) you are surely just being silly.
An Ad hominem attack, good!
QUOTE(raum @ Oct 17 2006, 03:08 PM) huff puff science is solid,.. are you really that delusional? You speak of the quantum as definitive, and don't seem to understand that quantum science is perhaps the only greater hall dedicated to dispute and interpretation than the friggin Vatican!
Have I said anything about quantum as definitive? Not at all, please check your references. By the way, using fallacies of extension doesn't fit you.
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QUOTE(windlord @ Oct 17 2006, 06:18 PM) I do understand religion fairly well, and always saw it as something on a parallel plane relative to science, science thus has nothing to say about the ethic message on the bible, same as religion dosn't have a saying about science because of that paralelism.
I never said anything about this parallelism, it was more about the fact that you seemed to think somehow, religion has to be doctrinal that prompted me to say you understand little. that does not indicate you have not learned or studied..
So, what of he who says "I spoke with God, and he never told me to read the Bible. In fact, he laughed and said all the words of men are fools, but there is wisdom in folly. Read what you want. Wisdom is in writing, Understanding is in listening."
You want to tell me that wasn't God, fine; who was it?
Metaphor is a tool, abused by religion and what's worse, taken as truth by zealots.
The "TRUTH" is the sun, look at it long enough and you will go blind; Try to touch it, and it will consume you. but the "Truth" is the moon, we know we can walk on it with some work and help, it gives us the security the TRUTH is there when we can't see it; though even sometimes it is nowhere to be seen.
but, oh,.. the stars. when Truth and TRUTH are aligned, you have Aemeth.
QUOTEAs I said could you explain and convince a hebrew from 44 d.c that women have the smae rights as men under god?
assuming I could speak with them, of course I might be able to! Didn't someone have to explain to them that men were superior, or that they should all cut their penis? if you could not convince people, then why did all the priests have to work so hard to get people in line with that code they abused religion to prosper?
same rights under god, rarely a question who was superior until Leviticus,..
but certainly there were cultural gender roles and different biology, as there are still.
Furthermore, how could you make such a base assumption without any proof.
Through method, science is established. yah?
QUOTENot at all, the reason is that idea requires a cultural and social maturity that society didn't had at that time -and ours, 2000 years later, still has a lot to do regarding that issue for example-
wait, wait,.. evolution is not better, evolution is just different. why would anyone who does not believe in a possiblity of intelligent design lend credence to the notion of "maturing" society to equality. there is no reason to do so, other than feel good feelings.. equality becomes a whim at that point. what is it this society "has to do" and why do it if there is no "reason."
QUOTEAn Ad hominem attack, good!
You make statements like "sacred books are merely metaphors conveyed to send a moral/ethic message." So, it's that simple, huh? Merely metaphor. No treasure maps, no conveyence of importance of constellations, no history of tribal movements, no motivations for creating a common history of unrelated peoples, no quelling disputes over land claims, or rulers wanting to establish a legacy before their demise.. just metaphor. and never a sincere person in the bunch, to hear you talk. it's just premeditated deception.
ad hominem is vicious, calling that kind of deductive reasoning silly is hardly viscious... . but to me, that is ok, to be silly is part of being human. its not an insult. people eat their feet all the time, and sometimes, evidentally toes taste good!
QUOTEHave I said anything about quantum as definitive? Not at all, please check your references. By the way, using fallacies of extension doesn't fit you.
and this impersonal air of being in a vacuum of logic and reasoning doesn't lend integrity to the true exchange of ideas, either.
I never said anything about this parallelism, it was more about the fact that you seemed to think somehow, religion has to be doctrinal that prompted me to say you understand little. that does not indicate you have not learned or studied..
So, what of he who says "I spoke with God, and he never told me to read the Bible. In fact, he laughed and said all the words of men are fools, but there is wisdom in folly. Read what you want. Wisdom is in writing, Understanding is in listening."
You want to tell me that wasn't God, fine; who was it?
Metaphor is a tool, abused by religion and what's worse, taken as truth by zealots.
The "TRUTH" is the sun, look at it long enough and you will go blind; Try to touch it, and it will consume you. but the "Truth" is the moon, we know we can walk on it with some work and help, it gives us the security the TRUTH is there when we can't see it; though even sometimes it is nowhere to be seen.
but, oh,.. the stars. when Truth and TRUTH are aligned, you have Aemeth.
QUOTEAs I said could you explain and convince a hebrew from 44 d.c that women have the smae rights as men under god?
assuming I could speak with them, of course I might be able to! Didn't someone have to explain to them that men were superior, or that they should all cut their penis? if you could not convince people, then why did all the priests have to work so hard to get people in line with that code they abused religion to prosper?
same rights under god, rarely a question who was superior until Leviticus,..
but certainly there were cultural gender roles and different biology, as there are still.
Furthermore, how could you make such a base assumption without any proof.
Through method, science is established. yah?
QUOTENot at all, the reason is that idea requires a cultural and social maturity that society didn't had at that time -and ours, 2000 years later, still has a lot to do regarding that issue for example-
wait, wait,.. evolution is not better, evolution is just different. why would anyone who does not believe in a possiblity of intelligent design lend credence to the notion of "maturing" society to equality. there is no reason to do so, other than feel good feelings.. equality becomes a whim at that point. what is it this society "has to do" and why do it if there is no "reason."
QUOTEAn Ad hominem attack, good!
You make statements like "sacred books are merely metaphors conveyed to send a moral/ethic message." So, it's that simple, huh? Merely metaphor. No treasure maps, no conveyence of importance of constellations, no history of tribal movements, no motivations for creating a common history of unrelated peoples, no quelling disputes over land claims, or rulers wanting to establish a legacy before their demise.. just metaphor. and never a sincere person in the bunch, to hear you talk. it's just premeditated deception.
ad hominem is vicious, calling that kind of deductive reasoning silly is hardly viscious... . but to me, that is ok, to be silly is part of being human. its not an insult. people eat their feet all the time, and sometimes, evidentally toes taste good!
QUOTEHave I said anything about quantum as definitive? Not at all, please check your references. By the way, using fallacies of extension doesn't fit you.
and this impersonal air of being in a vacuum of logic and reasoning doesn't lend integrity to the true exchange of ideas, either.
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.x3n¢¢¬‚¦..The claim that god made all things and he listens to prayer is purely subjective.
me....Have you ever been in love ?..prove it. Are all the people in the world who claim to have felt love in there life mistaken.If you were the only one on a planet could you understand love?,You have to experience it to become aware of it.The fact you havnt experienced god is not proof he doesn¢¢¬¢ž¢t exist. Isn¢¢¬¢ž¢t the better option with out proof ether way to simple have no certain opinion. Until I experienced god that was my attitude.
.x3n... Prayer is useless because it's a 50-50 chance what you ask for (guidance, protection, revenge) will come to pass. If it doesn't "he acts in mysterious ways", if it does "he listens".
Me¢¢¬‚¦..When people talk of his mysterious ways there referring to how he makes things happen in your life or the inability for us to comprehend all the plans he has for us If he answers your prayers its because its what you need to follow or stay on the path he wants you to be on. Strength to get through stuff or knowing the right choices to make are some of the prayers answered. God knows more about what you need than you do. It actually says in the bible you dont even have to specify what you need because he already knows what¢¢¬¢ž¢s in your truest heart better than you do. When you start walking his path its amazing how much you find out about your self . Base desires as opposed to true needs for happiness become more obvious. If he doesnt answer than its not part of the path he wants you to be on Not getting your prayers answered is some times itself an answer..Theres also the possibility he is working on building your character¢¢¬‚¦or maybe you just asked for some thing dumb. Gods not a magic lamp with a genie inside ready to give you whatever YOU think is needed.If I ask god to give me strength to spend the long hours needed to help a friend in trouble and to know the best way to help him than that prayer is going to be answered . Asking for revenge against that friend......no.
Back to evolution¢¢¬‚¦.First of all I was under the impression that there were many christians who believed in evolution and many scientists who believed in god. This argument always seems to come from two places .Literalist christians who feel a threat to there faith and atheist looking to use evolution as an excuse not to believe in god or as a weapon to piss off chritians
..... The original post here talked about the ability to believe that evolution created us ...and god is were it came from..I dont know what intelligent design is ( even after reading the ID thread ) but heres one view. What if god did all his creative work when he was making up the material that created the big bang. He put it together in such a way that one of the results would in time be us. All of the process that took place and all the laws that govern those things were put into play with full understanding of how they would turn out. Even the meteor fields and where they ended up and there relationship with our planet were considered while creating the big bang. Or.... our creation some were in the universe was guaranteed by the recipe he created. Either way he sat back and waited for us to appear (which was the purpose of it all ) and than gradually introduced himself.
As I understand it evolution is based on random mutation and whatever has the best mutations for there environment has the edge when it comes to survival.in two respects. Competition for mates and competition for food. The winners have fat bellies and lots of offspring to keep the mutation they have going. The ones with the inferior adaptations disappear. But there are other factors like climate change which can turn the tables and reverse fortunes. Than you have the big changers like meteors and super volcanoes turning every thing upside down .How about solar flare ups. If none of these other factors took place dinosaurs would still be walking around but maybe just not as big. Actually some say the robin hunting in the grass outside my door is a fierce little dino worm killer. Can we talk about evolution as if its the only factor My point is there¢¢¬¢ž¢s plenty of room to believe god set in motion the basic laws that govern how things work along with some of the key big mega changes that got us where we are The bottom line is i would never want evolution to be a barrier to some one looking for god ,,,and not asking questions is not a requirement to seeking him¢¢¬‚¦. Hope I didn¢¢¬¢ž¢t dumb down the thread too much.
me....Have you ever been in love ?..prove it. Are all the people in the world who claim to have felt love in there life mistaken.If you were the only one on a planet could you understand love?,You have to experience it to become aware of it.The fact you havnt experienced god is not proof he doesn¢¢¬¢ž¢t exist. Isn¢¢¬¢ž¢t the better option with out proof ether way to simple have no certain opinion. Until I experienced god that was my attitude.
.x3n... Prayer is useless because it's a 50-50 chance what you ask for (guidance, protection, revenge) will come to pass. If it doesn't "he acts in mysterious ways", if it does "he listens".
Me¢¢¬‚¦..When people talk of his mysterious ways there referring to how he makes things happen in your life or the inability for us to comprehend all the plans he has for us If he answers your prayers its because its what you need to follow or stay on the path he wants you to be on. Strength to get through stuff or knowing the right choices to make are some of the prayers answered. God knows more about what you need than you do. It actually says in the bible you dont even have to specify what you need because he already knows what¢¢¬¢ž¢s in your truest heart better than you do. When you start walking his path its amazing how much you find out about your self . Base desires as opposed to true needs for happiness become more obvious. If he doesnt answer than its not part of the path he wants you to be on Not getting your prayers answered is some times itself an answer..Theres also the possibility he is working on building your character¢¢¬‚¦or maybe you just asked for some thing dumb. Gods not a magic lamp with a genie inside ready to give you whatever YOU think is needed.If I ask god to give me strength to spend the long hours needed to help a friend in trouble and to know the best way to help him than that prayer is going to be answered . Asking for revenge against that friend......no.
Back to evolution¢¢¬‚¦.First of all I was under the impression that there were many christians who believed in evolution and many scientists who believed in god. This argument always seems to come from two places .Literalist christians who feel a threat to there faith and atheist looking to use evolution as an excuse not to believe in god or as a weapon to piss off chritians
..... The original post here talked about the ability to believe that evolution created us ...and god is were it came from..I dont know what intelligent design is ( even after reading the ID thread ) but heres one view. What if god did all his creative work when he was making up the material that created the big bang. He put it together in such a way that one of the results would in time be us. All of the process that took place and all the laws that govern those things were put into play with full understanding of how they would turn out. Even the meteor fields and where they ended up and there relationship with our planet were considered while creating the big bang. Or.... our creation some were in the universe was guaranteed by the recipe he created. Either way he sat back and waited for us to appear (which was the purpose of it all ) and than gradually introduced himself.
As I understand it evolution is based on random mutation and whatever has the best mutations for there environment has the edge when it comes to survival.in two respects. Competition for mates and competition for food. The winners have fat bellies and lots of offspring to keep the mutation they have going. The ones with the inferior adaptations disappear. But there are other factors like climate change which can turn the tables and reverse fortunes. Than you have the big changers like meteors and super volcanoes turning every thing upside down .How about solar flare ups. If none of these other factors took place dinosaurs would still be walking around but maybe just not as big. Actually some say the robin hunting in the grass outside my door is a fierce little dino worm killer. Can we talk about evolution as if its the only factor My point is there¢¢¬¢ž¢s plenty of room to believe god set in motion the basic laws that govern how things work along with some of the key big mega changes that got us where we are The bottom line is i would never want evolution to be a barrier to some one looking for god ,,,and not asking questions is not a requirement to seeking him¢¢¬‚¦. Hope I didn¢¢¬¢ž¢t dumb down the thread too much.
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Threads are "dumbed down" when people step in with nothing to say and decide to troll anyways. You're stating your opinion and that's valuable. We will disagree, but that's a big part of this process.
Anyhows, love is a very personal experience, by definition it's subjective. I have no problem comparing love to being touched by god. Love is just as easily broken down as a flood of "happy juice" in the brain. It also affects pulse, sweat glands, brings about euphoria, etc.
So love is very real, but it's a scientifically verifiable emotional response. Chemically, it's almost identical to madness, or the core feelings that bring about compulsive disorders. The fact that science has defined it with it's own language, other than elusive and abstract concepts, doesn't make it (at least for me) any less fun and exciting. I was raised Catholic, talked to god when I was a kid and practiced meditation techniques for close to a decade, martial arts for way longer. Now I ask you, how do YOU know I never experienced god?
I won't bother quoting your second paragraph because everything you mentioned is drenched in faith. Again, it's subjective. You have no verifiable facts to back it up. You sincerely believe it to be so, and that's cool with me.
I've asked for health on family members that passed. We've all seen buildings crumble, tsunamis wiping people and leaving them to rot and wars taking lives by the thousands, I would guess most of the deceased prayed to be spared. I've "asked god" to help me with revenge and it worked. No karmic backlash and no lasting effect on me or my "victim". Whatever mysterious plan he had, he's kept it.
If you're not too afraid of testing your own claims, do so. Pick any aspect in your life where you think god might have a hand in it (shoudn't be too hard) and try to change the outcome with or without prayer. I'd encourage you to go as simple as possible. You know what the outcome will be?...the outcome will be you wondering what god might have been going after when he "made it not happen".
We are not the "end result " of evolution. Any biology book will tell you, we are seriously lacking in almost all physical aspects.
I can't really go back to using the holy bible as reference because frankly, that topic is tired. I'm pretty tired of it.
Anyhows, love is a very personal experience, by definition it's subjective. I have no problem comparing love to being touched by god. Love is just as easily broken down as a flood of "happy juice" in the brain. It also affects pulse, sweat glands, brings about euphoria, etc.
So love is very real, but it's a scientifically verifiable emotional response. Chemically, it's almost identical to madness, or the core feelings that bring about compulsive disorders. The fact that science has defined it with it's own language, other than elusive and abstract concepts, doesn't make it (at least for me) any less fun and exciting. I was raised Catholic, talked to god when I was a kid and practiced meditation techniques for close to a decade, martial arts for way longer. Now I ask you, how do YOU know I never experienced god?
I won't bother quoting your second paragraph because everything you mentioned is drenched in faith. Again, it's subjective. You have no verifiable facts to back it up. You sincerely believe it to be so, and that's cool with me.
I've asked for health on family members that passed. We've all seen buildings crumble, tsunamis wiping people and leaving them to rot and wars taking lives by the thousands, I would guess most of the deceased prayed to be spared. I've "asked god" to help me with revenge and it worked. No karmic backlash and no lasting effect on me or my "victim". Whatever mysterious plan he had, he's kept it.
If you're not too afraid of testing your own claims, do so. Pick any aspect in your life where you think god might have a hand in it (shoudn't be too hard) and try to change the outcome with or without prayer. I'd encourage you to go as simple as possible. You know what the outcome will be?...the outcome will be you wondering what god might have been going after when he "made it not happen".
We are not the "end result " of evolution. Any biology book will tell you, we are seriously lacking in almost all physical aspects.
I can't really go back to using the holy bible as reference because frankly, that topic is tired. I'm pretty tired of it.
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Hey x3n
Thanks for the thoughts .I got a lot to do this weekend so my responce to the prayer stuff is going to have to wait till sunday.I think im gonna start a defferent thread cause i dont see the conection here.
xp3...We are not the "end result " of evolution. Any biology book will tell you, we are seriously lacking in almost all physical aspects.
me...I cant find were i said "end result"..I did say ...one of the results would in time be us.....and.....he sat back and waited for us to appear (which was the purpose of it all ) and than gradually introduced himself.
If you believe we were the product of evolution than we are still subject to those laws. Saying we are the "purpose god created the universe" doesnt mean the prosses stops with us. It means the "relationship" started with us and will continue as long as we are able...And...if there is other intellegent life out there with the ability to know god than yes the universe was made for them too.
I assume the weakness is a comparison to other animals. Its our evolutioary dependence on our brains that made us weak.I know you knew that. I think some one should tackle the idea of what if any evolving we would do now that our brains and hands creat all of the conditions we need to survive .We can make the food we need and kill whatever gets in our way. Concidering how long majoir changes in evolution take and how comparitivly quick technology moves forward in addressing our needs you wonder wether evolving in a majoir way could still happen. Have a good weekend
Thanks for the thoughts .I got a lot to do this weekend so my responce to the prayer stuff is going to have to wait till sunday.I think im gonna start a defferent thread cause i dont see the conection here.
xp3...We are not the "end result " of evolution. Any biology book will tell you, we are seriously lacking in almost all physical aspects.
me...I cant find were i said "end result"..I did say ...one of the results would in time be us.....and.....he sat back and waited for us to appear (which was the purpose of it all ) and than gradually introduced himself.
If you believe we were the product of evolution than we are still subject to those laws. Saying we are the "purpose god created the universe" doesnt mean the prosses stops with us. It means the "relationship" started with us and will continue as long as we are able...And...if there is other intellegent life out there with the ability to know god than yes the universe was made for them too.
I assume the weakness is a comparison to other animals. Its our evolutioary dependence on our brains that made us weak.I know you knew that. I think some one should tackle the idea of what if any evolving we would do now that our brains and hands creat all of the conditions we need to survive .We can make the food we need and kill whatever gets in our way. Concidering how long majoir changes in evolution take and how comparitivly quick technology moves forward in addressing our needs you wonder wether evolving in a majoir way could still happen. Have a good weekend
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Well, if the theory behind the concept of evolution is correct (which from my end makes sense) then we will change according to our requirements for survival in this planet. Worst case scenario, we die, get replaced. We haven't figured out how to colonize any other rock, we can't work with any other environment besides this one, as opposed to many other creatures (mainly in the depths of the ocean), and we are steadily changing conditions up here. So my guess is that we won't get much further. I won't be around, so I don't loose any sleep over this.
Whenever you think you have time to discuss the concept of prayers, do so. I can't be here everyday but I will make my way in at some point.
Whenever you think you have time to discuss the concept of prayers, do so. I can't be here everyday but I will make my way in at some point.
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Im thinking most changes we could adapt to using technology. Maybe some thing big like a sudden change in gravity making us wiegh more might force changes. Modifications would be to hard to bring about that would sheild us compleatly.
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QUOTE(AYHJA @ Sep 15 2006, 12:56 AM) Why do you feel creationism is stupidity..? What exactly is stupid or preposterous about intelligent design..? Or should I so, so stupid, that evolution seems like it makes THAT much more sense..? Or is that even what you're saying at all..?
sorry to bring this back up, but I still owed a reply here, but wanted to take the time to do so.
it is not so much that I feel creationism itself is stupidity, it more is the fervor with which it is defended by some as the (a) better solution to evolution.
that being said, the supposition one needs to make to believe in ID is one I have since come to not stand behind. The one about us having a God which actually interferes with what we do. I do not believe in that. There is not something which looks down on us and sometimes molds proceedings to his / her liking. That God just does not exist. Don't ask for further explanations; I can't give them, but it seems to be what I believe in. My image of whatever it is some call "God" (I dislike the term, it is too socially laden) is more one of "Good". I am convinced "Good" exists and "Evil" does, because I see both of them in our human world. They are not so much ideas which have existed all along, but they are ideas which people have given a name in order to be able to describe some actions. I believe that when the holy scriptures were written, the images of "God" and "Devil" were invented to explain the concepts to the average man and examples were typed out to... well... give examples.
So. While ID can be a nice cerebral effort to wonder about, in my opinion it is as false as stating that God actually enacts on or interferes with the world.
As for evolution; well something happened purely by coincidence which brought primitive forms to life. We had the correct ingredients, the correct temperature in which molecules combined and cells created. Nothing fancy about that, just pure luck. ... Hence, my belief that we are not alone either. The likelihood of life starting on a planet IS indeed small, but there are so many of them that it becomes very plausible indeed that life exists somewhere else; simple multiplication really. Now if that is so, would they have the same God? Were they intelligently created as well by that God?
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sorry to bring this back up, but I still owed a reply here, but wanted to take the time to do so.
it is not so much that I feel creationism itself is stupidity, it more is the fervor with which it is defended by some as the (a) better solution to evolution.
that being said, the supposition one needs to make to believe in ID is one I have since come to not stand behind. The one about us having a God which actually interferes with what we do. I do not believe in that. There is not something which looks down on us and sometimes molds proceedings to his / her liking. That God just does not exist. Don't ask for further explanations; I can't give them, but it seems to be what I believe in. My image of whatever it is some call "God" (I dislike the term, it is too socially laden) is more one of "Good". I am convinced "Good" exists and "Evil" does, because I see both of them in our human world. They are not so much ideas which have existed all along, but they are ideas which people have given a name in order to be able to describe some actions. I believe that when the holy scriptures were written, the images of "God" and "Devil" were invented to explain the concepts to the average man and examples were typed out to... well... give examples.
So. While ID can be a nice cerebral effort to wonder about, in my opinion it is as false as stating that God actually enacts on or interferes with the world.
As for evolution; well something happened purely by coincidence which brought primitive forms to life. We had the correct ingredients, the correct temperature in which molecules combined and cells created. Nothing fancy about that, just pure luck. ... Hence, my belief that we are not alone either. The likelihood of life starting on a planet IS indeed small, but there are so many of them that it becomes very plausible indeed that life exists somewhere else; simple multiplication really. Now if that is so, would they have the same God? Were they intelligently created as well by that God?
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with the linguistic research I have done into biblical Hebrew and Proto-Hebrew,
I feel personally confident that Mosheh (Moses) would slap the stupid out of your mouth if you tried to explain to him the Shabo Yom veh Sepher Ha-Berashith (The Seven Days and the Book of Genesis) the way it is currently written and interpreted by Fundamental Christians.
I feel personally confident that Mosheh (Moses) would slap the stupid out of your mouth if you tried to explain to him the Shabo Yom veh Sepher Ha-Berashith (The Seven Days and the Book of Genesis) the way it is currently written and interpreted by Fundamental Christians.
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