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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:43 pm
by AYHJA
Is it your arthiritis actin' up when you send me all them ass links..? /:D" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt=":D" />

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:37 pm
by x3n
Slander!!

That merely reflects my utter disgust with heretic perversion in a society far removed from the ideals of our forefathers.

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:16 pm
by raum
QUOTE(x3n @ Nov 15 2006, 09:37 AM) Slander!!

That merely reflects my utter disgust with heretic perversion in a society far removed from the ideals of our forefathers.

lol xen, that sounds like my geriatric a$$... heh!

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ok, so brains: try again with the oil thing.

I did some research yesterday, made a big post, and lost it all. (damn this forum!!!)

big long of it, in the last 38 months, the OVERALL growth of the base value of oil ITSELF (i.e. oil to refiner) was +1.45%. Biggest month was Sep '05, at a little more than 4%. it was like total increase reprsesented 38% of largest spike, or something. i have a spreadsheet. anyways, not a HIGH YIELD investment.

Increases along the lines of trade options on oil increased by 47%, in fact the 87% spike in oil research after China went balls to the wall to find oil was much larger. point being most of the "oil money" now is not about the oil in the ground. it's about the use of plastics, gasoline, and lots of other things,... and most of the value is set to mature by investors who do not have money in the market; ESPECIALLY in America, where a company can end up paying 87 million to the 100 million of capital gains in market related options, just by being cited for market oversight. No oil mogul company like exxon would trade their own futures, because Uncle Sam would strip them of at least a penny of every quarter, and their [profit share would collapse, and vested employees would go to work armed... Most of that trading goes to Japan, who is THRIVING off of the heavy regulation in oil trading in the US. Japan has made more money off of oil futures in this wartime, than the US.

Petro-economics is not the way most people think it is. They think "oil is the issue", but oil ITSELF is very little of the money. To be honest, if you are working with high value at the expense of humanity, you would just put your money in escrow, and covert currency across floating values and accrue the derivative until your investment control the price point of foreign currency; until the Securities and Exchange Commission comes with a pitchfork and torch. But the people doing that (offshores) are in South America, and in the informatics industries. The short term investors who flood oil, to buy high and sell higher are the ones delivering obsene profits to big oil, who simply buy and sell on the variance of the price point according to investment strategy that ONLY allows a certain percentage of growth. sure the only way big oil has the money they do this with is by past monopolies, But those same monopolies are the only reason the throne of England is not in the Reichstag's archive, and much of that value has been made public by common offerings. Man has a way of making mistakes that sometimes allow him a different future.

But socialists will NEVER be happy until there is communist control of most industries, especially pertroleum... and most other people will never bother to learn enough to use the market to their advantage, within their REGULATED GAIN THRESHOLD, so the market gains will never dillute into more people... because most people are somehow content blaming other people for having a financial strategy, because they dont want to bother to learn about economics past the point of retail banking, etrading, and consumerism.