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my condolences.

how come this kind of shit happens in the US?

@Aemeth: you sound overly zealous about christianity, god, jesus. be careful with that. knowing good from evil is not something the bible alone tells us... it is not found by having "faith" in whatever christianity (or any other religion) preaches. it is not even found by knowing all religions and what they preach. it is not taught to us by anyone - that is impossible. it is found within.

which christianity do you adher to though? roman? reformist? one or the other ministry?

Eh, like I said, you get smoked, I'll be sure to have a Bar-B-Q...You have my word...

But you're looking at that thing all wrong if you ask me...You thank God for death as if death isn't a natural part of life...That is inevitable, you should think about thanking God for the lessons you learn through life, regardless of the teaching method...

You don't thank God for the untimely demise of 30 young lives, and ignore the presence of the devil...

And I agree with what Brains said...

QUOTE("brains")how come this kind of shit happens in the US?

Every country has their problems and issues that happen there more infrequently than others...Just the way shit happens...

QUOTEYou don't thank God for the untimely demise of 30 young lives, and ignore the presence of the devil...

I totally agree with you. You can thank God for being in total control of the situation but you don't thank God for the massacre of innocent students. I'm gonna call you Kris so we can talk this one out

aemeth... the more I re-read your comments, the more I find them strange.

you indeed equal good with evil. something good happens, then praise the lord. something bad, then do the same - much like ja said. that is wicked. if you so believe in god, then also do in the devil. if you believe in good, then do in evil. yin-yang.

i'd tell you to snap out of it and get your act together, but I hope tt does now.

hmm. think for yourself. don't have anything (i am having "religion" in my head) think for you. if you believe so much in god and jesus, then accept they would not want you to (have something think for you). god is not in control, WE - as a huge group of individuals - are. WE make the world Good or Evil. God - a concept thought of over 2000 years ago - does not!

Good is found within; Evil gets to you from there.

"how come this kind of shit happens in the US?"

First of all Brains, this statement almost makes me want to disregard everything else you say altogether. Apparently you are unaware that a "Viginia Tech" happens every 2 minutes in the third world because of starvation ALONE. That isn't even considering AIDS, etc. The US is blessed beyond its wildest dreams.

At everyone else: Stop acting like you are above me. It's not like I don't see your point of view.

I have never said what I believe, so quit accusing me and putting words in my mouth. I have merely stated that the Calvinist must praise God for "good" and "evil" because it is all good in God's eyes (since everything that happens is a part of his plan).

If you disagree with what I say, then you have a problem with Calvinism, not me.

If you think that God is not in complete control (aka Open Theism, a noble view as well) then mourn away (no sarcasm intended, seriously)

QUOTE(Aemeth @ Apr 18 2007, 11:04 PM) "how come this kind of shit happens in the US?"

First of all Brains, this statement almost makes me want to disregard everything else you say altogether. Apparently you are unaware that a "Viginia Tech" happens every 2 minutes in the third world because of starvation ALONE. That isn't even considering AIDS, etc. The US is blessed beyond its wildest dreams.
lol. trying somehow to put me in bad daylight and disregarding an honest question, are you?

starvation is something the COMPLETE Western world is guilty of, while AIDS is a disease. both are not even remotely connected to youngsters which go pop and start killing their own in the blink of an eye or do you disagree?


QUOTEAt everyone else: Stop acting like you are above me. It's not like I don't see your point of view.

I have never said what I believe, so quit accusing me and putting words in my mouth. I have merely stated that the Calvinist must praise God for "good" and "evil" because it is all good in God's eyes (since everything that happens is a part of his plan).

If you disagree with what I say, then you have a problem with Calvinism, not me.

If you think that God is not in complete control (aka Open Theism, a noble view as well) then mourn away (no sarcasm intended, seriously)
the problem is, Aemeth, that you sound like "Calvinism" - or the form you were teached - not like an individual who seperates good from evil by his own will.

the problem is then with "Calvinism" (the way you brought it forward) ... ...

(you can fill in the three dots there, yes?)

i'm not touching the current argument....just wanted to say that every time something like this happens it's sad and a great loss.

the signs of a troubled kid were there. but, no one could reach out to him nor could anyone know that he was capable of this.

this is a time when any troubles you have don't seem that bad.

QUOTE("Aemeth")At everyone else: Stop acting like you are above me.

On the contrary, it could be that you're trying to seem as if we're not doing God's will by grieving...Like I said, you acknowledge God in one aspect, but not the devil, you say God is good and evil; but you're human like us, and that's impossible for you to comprehend...You need to realign your stance, what you say isn't concurrent from one sentence to next...It offers nothing in the way of comprehension...

Meanwhile...This is the living Michael Myers...He killed 2 people...Waited 2 hours, and in that time sent a package to NBC...Unbelieveable...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/page/2/

QUOTElol. trying somehow to put me in bad daylight and disregarding an honest question, are you?

starvation is something the COMPLETE Western world is guilty of, while AIDS is a disease. both are not even remotely connected to youngsters which go pop and start killing their own in the blink of an eye or do you disagree?

I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. I was wondering how we could mourn for all the bad things happening in the US when in reality, NOTHING bad is happening at all in comparison to the underdeveloped world. Can you imagine a starving Ethiopian reading "Why is all this bad shit happening in the US?" It's such a morbid thought it's laughable /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

QUOTEthe problem is, Aemeth, that you sound like "Calvinism" - or the form you were teached - not like an individual who seperates good from evil by his own will.

the problem is then with "Calvinism" (the way you brought it forward) ... ...

(you can fill in the three dots there, yes?)

I was never taught Calvinism (in a sense that I wasn't brought up that way)...The problem with Calvinism here would embody objections such as a lack of moral responsibility, a lack of free will, etc...I am not really sure how this is relevant but those are the typical protests...

QUOTEOn the contrary, it could be that you're trying to seem as if we're not doing God's will by grieving...Like I said, you acknowledge God in one aspect, but not the devil, you say God is good and evil; but you're human like us, and that's impossible for you to comprehend...You need to realign your stance, what you say isn't concurrent from one sentence to next...It offers nothing in the way of comprehension...

I only mean to say that IF YOU BELIEVE IN A DIVINE, UNCHANGING AND TRIUMPHANT WILL of God, then grieving is showing a lack of faith in him. It would just be like grieving at the crucifixion. If you trust in a divine will of God (for clarity, this means that you trust that he has the greatest possible purpose for the world) then good and evil become arbitrary; his will is all that counts.

PS: I am not saying I would not have grieved at the crucifixion. Also, I am more concerned about this Michael Myers character, for at least it exists in the present. My prayers go out...

The diff between morning for this and the problems in Ethiopia

As Sam Kinison would say 'They live in a F$^cking dessert, move somewhere else and plant food, life, etc.

The VT tragedy is not the same (Yes warning signs were given by this invidual) but the victims couldnt move, get a better education, get govt help to avoid this- they didnt continously stay living in a desert, waring, etc.

Ethiopia is avoidable not sure VT was

That is why I Mourn- I cant speak for anyone else