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Yeah DL1 you're right, but she went out slugging the Dems, for stuff that the media hashed up...Nobody from the Democratic party mentioned anything negative about her son and his care that I could see...Rudy kept saying 'Them' while he was slinging shit, but unless you know better, you'd think that 'them' was someone in the Democratic party...Barak has never condoned personal attacks of any kind, and as at least said as much publicly at least once since she got named VP...I mean, she's a governor of a state, which I don't care how few the population, means she's already formidable...She's already been versed in politics, so the average person should be able to ascertain she's no pushover...She got off the podium and the only thing I felt I knew about her was that she's an exceptional person indeed, but as for her executive skills..? Your guess is as good as mine...To me, the Republicans are still in the hole...

But the fact of the matter is, all I hear from the Republicans is shit talking...I don't hear that from the Dems...And I traditionally favor Republican candidates, so this is equally weird for me...Huckabee was the only one that handled his business without seeming like he was about to burst out and talk about somebody's momma with the next sentence...Rudi was up there saying so much shit I'm not sure he even realized that some of what he was saying was as much a knock on his candidate as much as B.O...

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Democrats were attacking people outside the RNC. Throwing bleach on 80 year old men is maybe a bit much, ya know?
Democrats led an attack on Palin's family that failed to stick. Then Obama comes out and says it off limits - how noble! >:(
Democrats were buying time to run insulting commercials all over the RNC. None took hold becuase they really lacked wit.

Easy to be in a mood to talk sh!t about them.

The DNC was useless this year. The music was there, but no sign of the change. In fact, the Black Eyed Peas lost BIG for supporting a candidate they couldn't say ONE thing about, except Fergie has his "audio tape".

The RNC was in the light of Gustav, Hannah, and Ike. Not much partying to be done or it looks bad.

The Battle starts next week, anyways. Then we see more policy and scrutiny.
The National Conventions are to elect candidates and promote and coordinate campaigning strategies.

But I am curious Ty, what did the Democrats say that REALLY made you feel they had a firm policy that would benefit you?

raum wrote:Democrats were attacking people outside the RNC

I believe the articles called them many things, anarchists, rioters, and so forth, but I didn't see 'Democrats' nowhere, let alone have something to do with the Democratic campaign...Including a quote from that last article:

"We'll protest the grass being green," shouted Robert Wilson, 45, who said he is homeless. "I love protesting. My favorite cologne is pepper spray."

The Republicans ran insulting commercials all during the Dems convention, and inbetween the nasty ones, John McCain had the audacity to record a 'Congratulations' ad in the middle of it...

You say the DNC was useless, but there were what, 80,000 people there..? Barak's speech was the most watched program in the history of television..? If that's useless, I'd almost hate to see what the verdict is on the GOP convention...Those people look like they couldn't care less...And I'm not making this up man, CNN has been on in my house for 2 weeks...I've never EVER watched a convention of any kind before...I'm just saying what I see and hear, trying to put the bullshit aside...

raum wrote:But I am curious Ty, what did the Democrats say that REALLY made you feel they had a firm policy that would benefit you?

To be honest Bro, I don't really believe anything politicians say...I think that in one way or another, they're all slick as glass...But what is undeniable to me, is the fact that the GOP seems perfectly fine with slinging insults...They're not talking about the issues...On this CNN show called the situation room, whenever they ask anyone from the McCain camp a question, they start out by slamming Barak...That's crazy to me...Man the GOP...They REALLY haven't said anything about the economy, health care, or more importantly, they talk like they want to keep fighting this war that never should have been waged in the first place...

On one of the late night shows, they asked McCain about those houses again, and rather than answer the question, he went into his POW spill...They ask him a question about the economy, and he says he has to check w/his staff...Plus, he's 72 years old and has had a hard life...Like Miss Palin..? Definitely...Want to see her sworn in if ole McCain has a stroke..? Don't think so...Say what you want about Biden, he has more character than a man can want, and has been in Washington and done as much shit as McCain has...And he has one house, hahaha...

Kumicho wrote:TT, as an athlete, I wouldn't figure experience to be an issue for you either...2 ballplayers graduate high school, go to college, play ball, and head to the minors...One gets called up, and one doesn't...Primary reasons he may get called up probably don't include experience...On the Steelers run to the Super Bowl, future HOF running back Jerome Bettis fumbled the ball on the goal line in an absolutely improbable play...The game would have surely been lost, had it not been for a game saving tackle made by 2nd year QB Ben Roethlisberger...So having experience rocks, but....yeah...

A situation with a baseball player is extremely different than a situation with the President of the United States.

Let me just say that I absolutely hate when candidates bash their opponents. Go ahead and talk about the good things you have done and the good things that you have planned, but don't spend your entire campaign bashing the other. With that said, Obama showed a lot of class by saying that families are off-limits. I completely agree with that and I respect him staying away from Palin's family situation.

I think the GOP feels like they have to create tons of negative ads, because so many people are caught up in the "Obama-hype" and aren't showing interest in researching the actual issues. So many people are following him blindly which is never good. But, I still dont' agree with negative campaigns

trashtalkr wrote:Let me just say that I absolutely hate when candidates bash their opponents. Go ahead and talk about the good things you have done and the good things that you have planned, but don't spend your entire campaign bashing the other. With that said

Couldn't agree more,Trash. it's tired & played out. more importantly, it just shows what fucktards they are moreso than those they are attempting to bash.

Obama showed a lot of class by saying that families are off-limits.

Yup Yup.

trashtalkr wrote:A situation with a baseball player is extremely different than a situation with the President of the United States.

In regards to experience, and in the context used, how so..? All things considered, didn't McCain try to run for president before..? And lost to Dubya..? Shit man, that speaks volumes to me...There is nothing different about being president than doing any other job, ANY job well done will require many of the same things, whether you're the president or a blacksmith...If experience counted as much as they try to make it seem like it does, there would be no need to go to a college or university...

And again, I'm not making this shit up man...Turn on CNN, CSpan, or anything else showing the GOP convention and you'll see people doing EVERYTHING except paying attention to what's being said...They don't even believe in the crap they're talking man, why would anyone..?

The 'experience' thing is just another card alongside the race & religion cards that ruthless ignorant people play when they feel threatened or feel they are about to lose power that they feel is rightfully theirs.

I think I get it now.

I believe Ty is considering the Pepsi center, which was NOT the main convention hall for the DNC to the Xcel Stadium.

Here is numbers, Ty.

DNC was held at Invesco stadium in Denver. Capacity of about 20,000 give or take.
RNC was held at Xcel stadium in St. Paul. Capacity of about 20,000 give or take.

Both of these were major areas for speech and such. Alot of which on both sides was not particularly engaging, and being that alot of it is state coordination of campaigning and such to support local area elections as well.... Alot of people avoid alot of this, because there are also workshops on how to get people to vote, and how to get ad space and etc. It is a convention after all.

HOWEVER, The Democrats also reserved the Pepsi Center with a capacity of 76,000+ and a history of sell out of over 100,000 for the night of Obama's acceptance. They also had all their significant key notes on the same night. Which is why until that last night the DNC was hardly even in the news, so it was made on major coliseum night instead of a weeklong convention. Attne You simply cannot compare the DNC "party night" to the RNC which followed the typical proceedings, becuase there was no reason to, and the party they had planned was cancelled because people in Louisiana don't have power.

Here is what matters:

Democratic National Convention presidential vote, 2008
Candidate Votes Percentage
Barack Obama 1,549.5 35.07%
Hillary Clinton 341.5 7.73%
Abstentions 1.0 0.02%
Did not vote 2,527.0 57.18%
Totals 4,418.0 100.00%

So Barack won with 35% of the vote. But less than half of the Democratic Delegates would vote at all between Obama and Clinton. This is WHAT MATTERS, not public polls. The public doesn't choose presidential elections. They choose delegates and electorals. Most of the Democrat delegates DID NOT HAVE CONFIDENCE TO VOTE FOR EITHER CANDIDATE. That is super bad news for Democrats.

Here is the RNC 2008 results:

Republican National Convention presidential vote, 2008
Candidate Votes Percentage
John McCain 2,343 98.45%
Ron Paul 15 0.63%
Mitt Romney 2 0.08%
Did not vote 20 0.84%
Totals 2,380 100.00%

This means of the 2,380 delegates 20 felt none of the three were deserving of a vote. 2 felt Romney was their man, and 15 felt Paul was deserving.

McCain got 98.45% of the Republican vote for Candidate.
Obama got 35.07% of the Democratic vote for Candidate.

Barack got 1,550; McCain got 2,343. McCain knocked this one out of the park while Obama got less than half of his party's support. That is not media spin, that is not public craze. That is the people who will work to make Obama president and vote him into the whitehouse. Today, in a general election, McCain would win. HANDS DOWN. Might not sound fair, but that's politics.

Obama has a LOT of work to do. even if his handlers can throw a decent party and get some celebrity support. I fear his concert may not have actually been enough. He doesn't need your vote, he needs your delegates.

Sir Jig-A-Lot wrote:

trashtalkr wrote:Let me just say that I absolutely hate when candidates bash their opponents. Go ahead and talk about the good things you have done and the good things that you have planned, but don't spend your entire campaign bashing the other. With that said

Couldn't agree more,Trash. it's tired & played out. more importantly, it just shows what fucktards they are moreso than those they are attempting to bash.

Obama showed a lot of class by saying that families are off-limits.

Yup Yup.

I LOVE the spectacle of the browbeating. It is so sophmoric, but it is still really funny and appeals to my sense of humour. This is also part of the American tradition. Just like the Presidential Roast. it is the rare moment we have that demands the greatest humility.

But for the record, here is the bones:

Rudy had to get the new york punch in. It's what he does, and appeals to Old Red.
Romney preserved the moral majority and the socially conservative but polite view.
The wives came in to get the supportive wife vote, a crucial demographic.
Palin had to prove she wasn't soft. Now she has to prove she might be hard, but is she sharp?

McCain was great. The crowd had to drown out protestors a few times, with cries of "USA, USA.." That kind of infiltratration to disrupt is worse than cheap shots at the podium. But even that was pretty effectively done.

I liked McCain's speech last night...It was classy, and what I would have expected from a man like him...Sort of shocked to hear that exact same speech on behind me while him and Gov Palin (who is also repeating her VP speech) are in Wisconsin...I wonder if she realizes that some will feel her 'community organizer' crack aimed at Barak is probably not so funny to middle class folk...They need to tap her on the shoulder on that one...There was a guy in the stands with a 'McCain hates Vets' poster, and somebody else who had to be escorted out of the building...Racy stuff man, almost too hot for TV...And magically, McCain's speech moved his entire platform from experience to reform...Sounds like that whole 'change' thing the Dems dreamed up is working good enough alright...

raum wrote:Today, in a general election, McCain would win.

CNN's polls show that JoBama is ahead of McCain in Electoral votes...



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