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That was not the only reason..

But the main one..

I just...

Man...

Ace, I'm not even a big bible reader...But, I gotta ask...Have you ever read the New Testament all the way through, or did you just jump right to the passion..?

Just sticking to the bible now...How can you have read the bible...And all you get from it was that he came here to die for...Our sins..? You picked up nothing else of significance from the New Testament except dude died..?

The crucifixion and the ressurection were solely for show?

Look, the concept is simple..

Take, beauty, for instance..

What is it? Iono..I know that we can say x is beautiful, or it is not, and that it is subjective. But even though our opinions differ, Beauty, in itself, remains the same.

I believe it is the same with right and wrong..

Yes, I've read the entire Bible, but the main reason Jesus came to this earth was to die for us. Isn't that what the entire New Testament is about? Paul went around and shared the gospel about how Jesus died for our sins. Through His death, he gave glory to God, but the main reason was for his death.

What Bible have you been reading?

It is like...The more you guys say, the less and less I understand...Maybe I am being too critical, but in these discussions, you should leave little to be assumed...I have a question for the both of you...You ask:

QUOTEThe crucifixion and the ressurection were solely for show?

Was Jesus not a teacher..? How in the hell could he have come here to die and it have meaning and purpose, if he didn't show people how to live..???? What would his life have meant, if he just came here, said "yeah, I'm the son of God, here to save your sorry asses..."

Holy shit kids, you guys are....Killing me...The anologies...Are WAY off base...

DeEje, you consistently have the worst anologies of anybody, LoL...Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...It is a word...Concept...There is NOTHING consistent about beauty aside from the fact that people use it to express something, and nothing more...I could think my kid is the most beautiful thing in the world, and you might think the same about your kid...You guys are really not thinking before you type, or either not expressing your ideas good enough when you do....

The main reason God came to earth...Was not to die...For every reason you can say he did, I'll name you 5 why he didn't...There is no way that should have been all you got out of the New Testament trash...This is horrible...

That is like saying Abraham Lincoln became president just to get shot...That Martin Luther King became an activist, just to be assasinated...And they were mere humans...Yet, God comes to earth with the soul purpose of being murdered..?

Yea Jesus was a teacher, but so was Socrates..

If you dont think the crucifixion and resurrection hold any major significance/dont believe in them, then you mine as well deny Jesus being a God at all..

If right and wrong didnt exist, we would not even be able to wonder about it. AYHJA, criticize that all you want, but my words are echoes of a lot of books I have read regarding this written by highly respected people. Not jus me man, that is a fundamental truth there, agreed?

I can't believe you just compared Jesus to fucking Socrates..! You must have NO IDEA how ignorant that looks...OMFG...I'm trying man, I really really am...

Moving on...

What do you mean if right and wrong didn't exist, yadda yadda yadda..? See, this is why I'm glad we're typing, rather than talking, cause I can always look back through the threads and see what I typed...I would encourage others to do the same...

I didn't say there was no such thing as right and wrong...I said that there was no such thing as a UNIVERSAL right and wrong...You have never read a book that can explain such a concept, I can assure you...And if you can quote the source, do so, and I will personally write the author a letter and tell him that he is full of shit, and should refrain from poisoning the minds of others...

Listen, what I am trying to say isn't anything you need to read out of a book...The differences from one person to the next are so drastic, shouldn't the rules be just the same..? Lost Ghost has a twin, they are damn near genetic replicas, yet, he says they are like night and day...With that kind of thing in mind, how can you say a rule for you, is a rule for me..?

And to answer your question, that is not fundamental, or true....

QUOTEThat is like saying Abraham Lincoln became president just to get shot...That Martin Luther King became an activist, just to be assasinated...And they were mere humans...Yet, God comes to earth with the soul purpose of being murdered..?

You're talking about Deeje comparing Jesus to Socrates but now you're comparing Him to Abe and MLK. That's fuckin ignorant. Jesus didn't have the same mindset as Abe and MLK. HE IS GOD!!!! He doesn't think like man. He came down to earth to die for our sins

That's the whole point

I dont know much about the bible guys so i wud only do posts on things that i know of .............. but i did think we were discussing the "universal rights and wrongs "

but anyway i dont belive that any god wud come on earth jus do die fo our sins that wud jus mean there was no reason fo him to come ..........and u thinkin such a thing wud mean that the purpose was neva really achived ..............bcoz as much as i know jesus was the gods son .............if im not mistaken ..........and god lettin his son feel so much pain by death was there fo us to learn a lesson .............not to die fo our sins and create a clean slate fo us to do more sins........ but if u think he came jus do die fo our sins then he shud be coming again nd soon bcoz the world is more sinfull now then eva ......... right ??

But anyway wat does this hav to do wit universal rights nd wrongs which is not the same as standards of rights and wrongs or jus rights and wrongs

QUOTE(Rahoroth)I can't believe you just compared Jesus to fucking Socrates..! You must have NO IDEA how ignorant that looks...OMFG...I'm trying man, I really really am...

Moving on...

What do you mean if right and wrong didn't exist, yadda yadda yadda..? See, this is why I'm glad we're typing, rather than talking, cause I can always look back through the threads and see what I typed...I would encourage others to do the same...

I didn't say there was no such thing as right and wrong...I said that there was no such thing as a UNIVERSAL right and wrong...You have never read a book that can explain such a concept, I can assure you...And if you can quote the source, do so, and I will personally write the author a letter and tell him that he is full of shit, and should refrain from poisoning the minds of others...

Listen, what I am trying to say isn't anything you need to read out of a book...The differences from one person to the next are so drastic, shouldn't the rules be just the same..? Lost Ghost has a twin, they are damn near genetic replicas, yet, he says they are like night and day...With that kind of thing in mind, how can you say a rule for you, is a rule for me..?

And to answer your question, that is not fundamental, or true....

The comparison was made to be ironic..In terms of "famous philosophers", Jesus and Socrates often get mentioned in the same sentence, but that does severe injustice to the one God sent, hence my analogy.

I will go in depth more later on my reasoning about right and wrong, I thought people knew but apparently not as much as I thought..

But for now, from your POV, the only universal right and wrong is that they dont exist. Is that right or wrong? Apparently, it can vary, but that seems to contradict your arguement..