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Re: The Dark Knight

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:28 pm
by raum
In Feb 2006, he said he had it written and 120 pages pencilled and inked. It is supposed to be about 200 pages total.

It is a bit of a sensitive subject, and I love the idea. Keep in mind, the name "Holy Terror, Batman!" is a play on Robin's words, but this is not a comedic work. He has stated that this is a chance to get back the "moxie" of 40's comics where Superman punched Hitler. This is supposed to inspire Americans to rally AGAINST Al Qaeda, and he admits it is propaganda, and is even proud of the fact.

This is a reminder we have real enemies, and there are ways to deal with them harshly. The comic book propaganda was about focusing the wrath of our folk Heroes (like BatMan, who is the most conservative man in tights since Ben Franklin) against real life enemies, to give us a true desire for victory over them. I know Miller can pull this off.

Artistically, I am pre-convinced it is AMAZING. I will stand behind that without even seeing it. Miller's Daredevil was far better than DK, if you ask me. I didn't care for some of the story of DK, but the art was fantastic. Daredevil was in New York, so expect some real devotion to the city he loves so much. Sin City was gorgeous, and Miller his self this work is impressing even himself to recognize how good it is. He said, and I quote, "be afraid."

As far as content... I can think of one building they might attack in Gotham... The Wayne Foundation Building. That will be the beginning of a TREMENDOUS battle.

I am interested in how it pans out. The worst obstacle to this getting published is DC may not want to face the ire of a Muslim population who sees the BatMan attacking Al Qaeda as "BatMan hates Muslims." The obvious solution is

a. show al Qada members who are not Middle Eastern, but that means BatMan only ever faces pawns because the self-identified heads are clearly Middle Eastern, and the members of other races who have joined them are low on the totem pole.

b. depict Muslims condemning the attack and rallying to BatMan, which will make for lousy continuity. The allure of BatMan is his solitary nature, not his ability to rally a mob to justify his vengence. BatMan would grin at the fact people are standing up for their faith, but he is a DETECTIVE, not a politician. He would protect a attacked muslim from a crowd of Gotham citizens attacking in the shadow of Al Qaeda's attack, but he would not "advertise". He would make people afraid to attack Muslims, until they figure it out for themselves that they are misplacing anger.

Because what BatMan uses is a form of terror. His very costume is a tool of fear and intimidation. He holds Gotham's underground hostage, and his condition for release is simple. Supress the criminal urge or live in fear and expect retribution.

The MAIN difference is he does not capitalize his use of innocents, nor does he focus on loss of life for his hostages.

Re: The Dark Knight

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:07 am
by darthwiggum2000
raum wrote: Because what BatMan uses is a form of terror. His very costume is a tool of fear and intimidation. He holds Gotham's underground hostage, and his condition for release is simple. Supress the criminal urge or live in fear and expect retribution.
My gut-instinct is that will be the heart of Miller's piece. "V for Vendetta" got a lot of mileage out of illustrating that a terrorist act (in some respects) is in the eye of the beholder. I trust Miller, and his storytelling abilities, to examine these topics in an insightful and thoughtful way.

Now if D.C. would just get those presses running...

Re: The Dark Knight

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:43 am
by darklighter1
raum wrote:I would totally disagree that the Joker is to BatMan what Lex is to Kal-El.

Arkham is to BatMan what Lex is to Kal-El. Arkham is a BEING in BatMan comics, not a place. A womb of the depravity of human thought from which all scheme and insanity emerges, and to where it once again is withdrawn.

The respiration of the criminally insane is the only thing that drives BatMan to continue to pursue his own need for Justice. And everytime he delivers someone back to Arkham, he gets closer and closer to being a resident. That is what Arkham wants - to complete it's portrait of obsession and madness by having the BatMan dissolve into its ranks.

That is one of the biggest elements of Frank Miller's BatMan work. Arkham is playing cat and mouse with Bruce, in hopes he will one day come "home." The staff even have a cell reserved for the BatMan when (not "if") he becomes a guest.

The Joker long ago said something to this effect, when he said "The Joker may be the wildest card in the deck; but he is just another card in the house of cards that is but a deck until you climb inside and see the sharks are not what you should fear. You should fear the OCEAN that grows them, feeds them, and then starves them."

It is my belief he was speaking of Arkham.

Arkham's *sanity* is nemesis of BatMan's *crusade against insanity*.
Lex's *ambition* is nemesis of Kal-El's *service without recognition*.

At his worst, Joker is BatMan's "kryptonite." With the inclusion of this being every"color" of his Kryptonite, and entirely unstable as to its effect in any given circumstance. In Frank Miller's version of this story, we should see the death of the Joker in this installation (though Grayson will emerge later afterradical gene therapy at the hands of Lex Luthor). BatMan wrecks his spine, but can't kill him, so Joker twists his own spine until he does irrevocable damage to his vital organs.

Joker, in Miller's image, is a schizophrenic narcissist who is at once inspired by BatMan, and definitely attracted to him. He betrayed the criminal underground (source of his "smuggler's smile cut on his face) because it made everyone's attention on him. He was an ultimate showboat who at once wanted to eat/fuck/kill BatMan with reckless abandon, for every reason from he was being "outdone" to he hadn't thought of wearing a cape first. I am curious how they manage to be true to Miller's core idea that Joker had a schizophrenic homoerotic (almost incestuous) fixation on BatMan that Joker knows will ultimately end in his demise, and will have it no other way. Because to him Bruce Wayne is as broken as any of his advesaries. To Miller, Bruce supresses his sexual urges into his obsessive crimefighting and can not face the man he is, by focusing on the boy he was. Miller indicates at times that Bruce is specifically supressing homosexual tendencies. It is those same urges that push the Joker towards his blatant absurdity and self-loathing and homocidal maniacism. It is noted this element of Miller's work is rejected by the bulk of the contributors who insist Bruce Wayne is not gay. It will be hard to capture that supressed sexuality and not throw off the casual fan or person unfamiliar with Miller's work, or upset the people in droves who will be mourning Heath and have no idea of this element. Heath's role in Brokeback Mountain combined with a homoerotic Joker, combined with an untimely evidentally self-inflicted demise will just lead to all kinds of slander and speculation.

Many people suspect Frank Miller is a proponent of the view that violence, homocidal and suicidal tendencies, and certain mental instabilities is something that comes naturally to men who are inherently homosexual. Or maybe it's the other way around. Then others say they get those tendencies because they are not accepted. ad infinitum...

Regardless, it is not "politically correct" so it doesn't get talked about much more. It is also by far not conclusive enough to warrant profiling. This is a view still occasionally explored in criminal psychology (serial killers much) and is one of the most cited reasons that gays were not eligible for military service. This is why, without exclusion, Frank Miller adds a homoerotically perverse, obsessed, or "sculpted adonis" element to his ultraviolent characters of his graphic novels. Some say he is literally trying to use this to peak the part of every man's mind that is connected that sexual urge. I dunno. His work was kinda *dumb* (DK was just full of loopholes, and I am not fond of his artwork, even before hearing about it being teh gay. The Many Deaths of the BatMan is still my favorite series!!!) to me, but worth consideration. The funny thing is no one can say if he supports it, or if it just influences his art, or if it was just a story element to reflect controversial topics that was completely misinterpreted.

We do know that Frank Miller said "Bruce Wayne would be better off if he would just be gay."

We also know his work is not canonical, and DC respects Frank Miller who resurrected a dying character, but refuses to support his vision.
I don't know...I think the Joker is just a jerk....and Batman likes beating up jerks.

Re: The Dark Knight

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:18 am
by Sir Jig-A-Lot
Looks like we might see Harvey turn into Tw0 Face after all in this installment.
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Re: The Dark Knight

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:09 am
by happywonton
TWO FACE!!! Ah man, I hope he's better than Tommy Lee Jones.

Re: The Dark Knight

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:52 am
by darklighter1
AMEN to that! TLJ played two face like a Joker knock off, just a horrible portrayal. Hope this one he's dark and not overacting...sheesh!

Re: The Dark Knight

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:29 pm
by Sir Jig-A-Lot
i like the thought of this, an animated bridge between both films just like Del Toro did with Hellboy.
Full Batman: Gotham Knight Press Release
Source: Warner Home Video
February 25, 2008


Here is the official press release from Warner Home Video about Batman: Gotham Knight:

DC Comics, Warner Premiere, Warner Home Video and Warner Bros. Animation have collaborated to create a unique Batman experience in Batman: Gotham Knight. The all-new, original movie will arrive July 8, 2008 on DVD and Blu-ray Disc. Order due date is June 3, 2008. The original movie will also be available OnDemand and Pay-per-View as well as available for download on the same day as release date, July 8, 2008.

Batman: Gotham Knight is a fresh and exciting new entry into the Batman mythos, spinning out of a 40-year history in animation including the Emmy®-winning Batman: The Animated Series, widely considered a pivotal moment in American animation. A cross section of distinguished creators, award winning producers, and acclaimed writers weave six interlocking stories that reveal Bruce Wayne’s journey to Dark Knight, each with stylish art from some of the world’s most revered animation visionaries.

Batman: Gotham Knight was headed by an impressive list of directors who have brought their distinctly different anime styles to the classic Batman character. The production was divided among three renowned studios – Studio 4ºC, Production I.G and Madhouse – and included the truly inimitable visions of directors Shojiro Nishimi, Futoshi Higashide, Hiroshi Morioka, Yasuhiro Aoki and Toshiyuki Kubooka. With stories written by several of the most talented writers of film, comic books, and animation, including Academy Award®-nominated screenwriter Josh Olson (A History of Violence), David S. Goyer (Batman Begins), Emmy®-winner Alan Burnett (Batman: The Animated Series), Jordan Goldberg (Associate Producer, The Dark Knight), and award-winning comics writers Greg Rucka and Brian Azzarello, Batman: Gotham Knight presents thrilling new adventures of Batman that spotlight several of Gotham City’s most dangerous villains, including the fearsome Scarecrow, the freakish Killer Croc and the unnerving marksman known as Deadshot. Batman: Gotham Knight is produced by Emma Thomas (Batman Begins, The Dark Knight), Michael Uslan & Benjamin Melniker (Batman Begins, The Dark Knight), Toshi Hiruma and Bruce Timm (Batman: The Animated Series).

Batman: Gotham Knight will be available on DVD for $24.98 SRP. There will also be a 2-disc Special Edition DVD available for $29.98 SRP which contains additional bonus features. All the content from the 2-disc Special Edition DVD will be available on Blu-ray Disc for $34.99 SRP.

Batman: Gotham Knight DVD will feature incredible extras including:

“A Mirror for the Bat: The Evil Denizens of Gotham City” - A stimulating documentary covering Gotham City’s most nefarious of characters, combined with a look into the symbiotic relationship Batman shares with his enemies.

“Sneak Peek: Wonder Woman” - DC Universe animated original movie
Audio Commentary - Featuring the filmmakers of Gotham Knight.

Widescreen (1.78:1)

5.1 Dolby Digital

The 2-disc Special Edition DVD will feature even more incredible extras including:

“Batman and Me a Devotion of Destiny: The Bob Kane Story” - The comprehensive chronology of the remarkable life of the creator of Batman.

“Batman: The Animated Series” Bonus Episodes - Bruce Timm selects his favorite episodes from Batman: The Animated Series.

“Batman: Gotham Knight explores an exciting moment between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight,” said Paul Levitz, DC Comics President and Publisher, “and takes our fans on a very different visual trip through Gotham and Batman’s life. We’re extremely proud of this project, and look forward to adding to the momentum our DC Universe Animated Original Movie program has been building.”

“Batman: Gotham Knight is a perfect example of the type of release that Warner Premiere is becoming known for and that audiences are hungry for,” said Matt Bierman, Vice President, Production, Warner Premiere. “With incredible production values, a top-notch creative team and compelling, iconic characters from the DC Universe, Batman: Gotham Knight really raises the bar in the Direct-to-DVD arena and we’re proud to be a part of this production.”

“To date, over 13.5 million units of Batman animated titles have been sold and we are thrilled to release Batman: Gotham Knight, the next installment of the DC Universe animated original movies, which will be a hit with Super Hero and comic book fans alike,” said Amit Desai, WHV Vice President, Kids and Sports Marketing.

Batman: Gotham Knight Marketing Support

Batman: Gotham Knight will be supported by a massive media campaign including primetime TV spots, national print and online coverage. Marketing support will also include strong promotional support as well as a grassroots viral campaign.

DC UNIVERSE ORIGINAL MOVIES

DC Comics, Warner Premiere, Warner Home Video (WHV) and Warner Bros. Animation (WBA) began the production and distribution of “DC Universe,” a series of original, animated PG-13 movies in July 2006. This original made for DVD movie is part of the DC Universe series of animated PG-13 films written and directed by acclaimed comic book creators and animators and featuring recognizable talent. WHV will be the exclusive worldwide home entertainment distributor for all DC Universe movies, which will include a slate of 2-3 action-packed films per year. Superman Doomsday and Justice League: The New Frontier were the first DC Universe original animated movies. Other DC properties with films in development include Justice League, Green Lantern, Flash and Wonder Woman.

BASICS

Street Date: July 8, 2008
Order Due Date: June 3, 2008
Languages: English, Spanish
Subtitles: Spanish

Run Time: 75 minutes

Aspect Ratio: Widescreen (1.78:1)
Audio: 5.1 Dolby Surround Stereo
Color / Closed Captioned
Rating: PG-13

Batman: Gotham Knight (DVD)

Price: $24.98 SRP / No MAP
UPC: 085391123323

Batman: Gotham Knight (2 Disc Special Edition DVD)

Price: $29.98 SRP / No MAP
UPC: 0883929011155

Batman: Gotham Knight (Blu-ray Disc)

Price: $34.99 SRP / No MAP
UPC: 085391179511

About Warner Premiere:

Warner Premiere is Warner Bros. Entertainment’s new direct-to-consumer production company focused on the development, production and marketing of feature-length content, as well as short form digital content for the growing home entertainment market. Warner Premiere is committed to being at the creative forefront in the evolution of quality product in the direct-to-DVD business and the digital space, creating material that exemplifies the commitment to story, production and brand equity for which Warner Bros. is known.

About Warner Home Video:

With operations in 90 international territories Warner Home Video, a Warner Bros. Entertainment Company, commands the largest distribution infrastructure in the global video marketplace. Warner Home Video's film library is the largest of any studio, offering top quality new and vintage titles from the repertoires of Warner Bros. Pictures, Turner Entertainment, Castle Rock Entertainment, HBO Home Video and New Line Home Entertainment.

About DC Comics:

DC Comics, a Warner Bros. Entertainment Company, is the largest English-language publisher of comics in the world and home to such iconic characters as Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and the Sandman. These DC Super Heroes and others have starred in comic books, movies, television series (both animated and live-action) and cyberspace, thrilling audiences of all ages for generations. DC Comics’ Web site is located at http://www.dccomics.com.

BATMAN and all related characters and elements are trademarks of and © DC Comics. (s08)

About Warner Bros. Animation:

Warner Bros. Animation has been producing award-winning original animation since 1930, when it released its first cartoon, “Sinkin' in the Bathtub.” Since then, Warner Bros. Animation’s characters have set the standard for innovative, quality animation. Producing for network and cable television, online, home entertainment and feature films both domestically and internationally, Warner Bros. Animation is highly respected for its creative and technical excellence, as well as maintaining the studio’s rich cartoon heritage. Warner Bros. Animation also oversees the creative use of, and production of animated programming based on classic animated characters from the Hanna-Barbera and DC Comics libraries. Warner Bros. Animation is one of the most honored animation studios in history, garnering a grand total of six Academy Awards®, 35 Emmy® Awards, the George Foster Peabody Award, an Environmental Media Award, a Parents’ Choice Award, a Humanitas Award, two Prism Awards and 20 Annie Awards (honoring excellence in animation).

Re: The Dark Knight

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:11 pm
by ne0knight
Batman Gotham Knight Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acbRWvuB_Cw

Re: The Dark Knight

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:32 pm
by bagho
Thanks for the link,for the anime trailer, this is awesome .!!

Re: The Dark Knight

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:21 am
by Sir Jig-A-Lot
never saw this before: The Dark Knight Teaser II . bit of Two-Face hints there with that coin.

i dig the thought of DK coming out in the format of IMAX

..& for those that never saw it, the leaked first 6 minutes of the movie.