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AHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Nice. That's a Palin I would vote for.

raum wrote:I can not and will not hold people to what they say in the furors of speeches. I hold them to the policies they deliver in writing as executive actions!

This is where we differ. I hold them to both. I need to hear these politicians talk specifics about their plans. It would be a travesty if Obama or McCain skate into the White House on empty slogans and partisan hoopla.

Imagine being diagnosed with cancer and going to see your doctor to find out how he's going to treat you. Will you need chemotherapy? Surgery? Drugs? And all the doctor keeps telling you is how much he cares about you and understands these are tough times for you and that you're probably feeling depressed and uncertain about your future. Thanks doc, but what about treatment? What are you going to do to save me?

But Obama's quote from his own mouth doesn't hold water according to this actual plan of policies.

And it proves my point about the importance of these candidates talking policy specifics on the campaign trail. If Obama is contradicting himself, you'll never know it unless he speaks. I have no problem looking at their policy plans but I want them to talk and discuss their ideas with the voters. I hold them to their words because words matter.

He will cut oil and gas taxes, and enforce price structures in a regulatory petroleum market much like current power prices are enforced by the NERC and FERC to prevent market manipulation.

Sounds great. I want to hear more of this from McCain and Obama in their own words. May the best man win! (ON THE ISSUES!)

MY CHILDISH PERSPECTIVE

i like to eat the peanuts out of my own shit.

Bastard Brigade wrote:This is where we differ. I hold them to both. I need to hear these politicians talk specifics about their plans. It would be a travesty if Obama or McCain skate into the White House on empty slogans and partisan hoopla. [/quote.]

I wish Obama hadn't refused simultaneous appearance like McCain requested. McCain hoped to debate more on the road by now. Obama refused and focused on securing a vote for candidacy over Clinton. Oh, but the debates are coming, though...

Imagine being diagnosed with cancer and going to see your doctor to find out how he's going to treat you. Will you need chemotherapy? Surgery? Drugs? And all the doctor keeps telling you is how much he cares about you and understands these are tough times for you and that you're probably feeling depressed and uncertain about your future. Thanks doc, but what about treatment? What are you going to do to save me?

I look at my own medical records as it is my right, and ask for a line by line description of another physician... without that doctor being present. I am a pain in the ass in the hospital, but I have always found that they will oblige me when I start invoking HIPA and threatening to not let me doctor have access to my records and asking to speak to a Chaplain and a representative from billing.

And it proves my point about the importance of these candidates talking policy specifics on the campaign trail. If Obama is contradicting himself, you'll never know it unless he speaks. I have no problem looking at their policy plans but I want them to talk and discuss their ideas with the voters. I hold them to their words because words matter.

But if you have never read their plan, you will never know when they are contradicting it.

Sounds great. I want to hear more of this from McCain and Obama in their own words. May the best man win! (ON THE ISSUES!)

They wrote a great deal of words in their policies. Do you want them to get on TV and read them? That never happens. in the debates, they are debating parts of their plans and policies,.. same as the priamaries. it you want to be able to follow the debate for real - read the policies. otherwise; frankly, your support of a candidate is uninformed.

How many people actually know obama wants a draft?

July 2, 2008, with Sen. Obama speaking at the University of Colorado:

So when I'm President, I will set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year. This means that by the time you graduate college, you'll have done 17 weeks of service.

We'll reach this goal in several ways. At the middle and high school level, we'll make federal assistance conditional on school districts developing service programs, and give schools resources to offer new service opportunities. At the community level, we'll develop public-private partnerships so students can serve more outside the classroom.

nice! mandatory civil service. and military expansion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw

(his plan starts at 11:40)

blixa wrote:MY CHILDISH PERSPECTIVE

i like to eat the peanuts out of my own shit.

Oh and I forgot to add I vote republican

A peanut eating Australian Republican! :?:

why was my original post edited anyway?

Beacause I hate when people who aren't even American come in here and try to derail and coherent debate with some diatribe.

Find another way to be self-important than rambling anti-war sentiments or you could take that to its own thread.

If you want to create a "My childish view on the war" - go ahead. I will not intervene. if you want to post here ON TOPIC - feel free.

To whomever edited blixa's post w/out leaving your fingerprints on it: Lame. Just fucking Lame.
Was he disrespecting or insulting any other forum member directly with his post(s)? If so, then that's the only reason why his shit should've been removed/edited. Are you that much of a dog that instead of leaving your identity , or outright removing it, you feel you've gotta leave comments from your damn mouth as if he posted them, therby confusing others in here? that is just fascist. Why does anybody have to be of a particular nationality to express they viewpoint/opinion on it? The guy's a newb. Cut the fucker some slack. At least he's tryin' to participate. What?, you edited his shit because it does not conform to the style you post so eloquently or robotically in? I love this place. Please tell me I'm not sharing a forum with somebody who should've joined the Adolf's SS back in WWII?. I'm fucking disgusted with cowardice like that. It is people like that in the current Bush Admin (& other govts) that have made the world that much scarier to live in. Get A Fucking Life.

Sir Jig-A-Lot wrote:To whomever edited blixa's post w/out leaving your fingerprints on it: Lame. Just fucking Lame.

That was me. I hit the edit instead of the quote button. After i had "replied" I had mangled his post to where it was unrecognizable drawing all kinds of errors out in his post. Then I saw he wasn't even American and had posted here 4 times in 9 months. Sorry, for doing it, but I left it there because honestly, it was crap, uninformed and as mindless and lent no value to the discussion. To me, until you are informed or involved or engaged,
your opinion DOES NOT MATTER.

Was he disrespecting or insulting any other forum member directly with his post(s)?

YES. Me. I take that VERY seriously. I don't care if he questions or criticizes my government. But he just came in slammed down the same kinda crap the occasional person used to come spouting that derails the thread and makes it all about how much they hate, belittle, or despise America. I told him to start a thread to do that. He is welcome to.

If so, then that's the only reason why his shit should've been removed/edited. Are you that much of a dog that instead of leaving your identity , or outright removing it, you feel you've gotta leave comments from your damn mouth as if he posted them, therby confusing others in here? that is just fascist.

Nah, just kinda funny. I summarized his words. Be different if, ya know, he would have done something other than dug in his diaper and smeared it on the screen. But honestly... he might be a cool guy. we have a small amount of decorum in a few places. what he wrote belongs in the Flame section, really. He wants to flame America in there, fine. Not here.

Why does anybody have to be of a particular nationality to express they viewpoint/opinion on it? The guy's a newb. Cut the fucker some slack. At least he's tryin' to participate.

That was not participating. That was a diatribe of Anti-American sentiments that skewed every policy view by one specific side, WITH NO RESEARCH OR VALUE. It was a "i'm too lazy to think, but this is what I think." Hooray - we can all slam people. We can all bring about criticism. This is about issues, not some demonstration rally.

What?, you edited his shit because it does not conform to the style you post so eloquently or robotically in? I love this place. Please tell me I'm not sharing a forum with somebody who should've joined the Adolf's SS back in WWII?. I'm fucking disgusted with cowardice like that. It is people like that in the current Bush Admin (& other govts) that have made the world that much scarier to live in. Get A Fucking Life.

I edited his words by accident and felt no need to try and recreate them when they were nothing more than an uninformed criticism of the current administration and disparaging comments to slam and confuse the current political climate. I did this on way too little sleep in a room full of packing boxes. This guy has no idea of American Politics and his opinion really reflects that. and that is OK. He is not American, but like every other person in the world, he thinks he needs an opinion on our potential leaders and their policies. Those same people come into the thread post something about how weak America is, and feel self-important. I am sure if I went to a thread on Australian politics and started smearing shit, someone would either ban me, delete my comments, lock the thread, or edit them out. This happens on forums and has happened to me. and get real,..

Thread moderation is a poor anaology for the policies of the SS Waffen or the Bush Administration. Hell, even SS and current admin have little in common. SS Waffen were the extreme version of national liberal socialism in a militarized unit.

I also don't understand why you think me answers are robotic. I usually post right in here. I just have a big vocabulary and some talent at writing. Unfortunately, this will prolly not be taken with some humility - but it is worth it when someone says "Wow, that was a tough lesson. Thank's for putting me on track before I made a bigger ass of myself!".

Here is a better anology:

Some kids get together and are playing football. They are in the second quarter and the score is swinging back and forth. A kid new to the neighborhood comes up on the line of scrimmage with a hulahoop [covered in crap] and tries to start slinging it everywhere and gyrating in place. When the ball snaps, he gets stomped. Now, if he wants to realize that people are playing football, he can play; but he better be ready to play the sport on the field. If not, he can get the hell off the field and find another place to play hulahoop.

What do you do when you are talking to your friends and trying to see what is wrong with your car, or if you need a new one, and someone comes up and starts protesting about the need for public transit or talking about how hang-gliding is fun? We tell him to either contribute, or go find some place where his protest is welcome. We are trying to fix a vehicle. The vehicle is America. I am sure the eloquence of this anology will be clear.

blixa wrote: Oh and I forgot to add I vote republican

You know what is funny, I never have yet voted for a candidate of the Republican Party
EVAR. I don't tell people who I vote for... but never once - not even George W. Bush, whose office I continue to defend.

For the record, I hit "edit" instead of "quote" in my upper right hand corner. I was going to do a reply with your name in quotes. This was going to actually be a reply with my name on it. like so:

poster derailing thread wrote: I am getting my words replaced by a mod who is attempting to use a clever trick he saws on teh internets.

If this caused confusion, or paranoia about some kind of police state intrusion, I apologize.