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QUOTE(trashtalkr)What you're were saying though is that we shouldn't pretend like we care at all (at least that's the impretion I got). That's the wrong attitude to have. That's messed up and we've already said why....you just won't buy it....

nothing wrong with pretending you care a ton, but jus know it is not nearly as much as we would like it to be..I was under the impression that everyone was actually saying that this event changed their lives forever, caused them to go to church and donate their money to the St. Jude hospital (metaphors, peeps..)

This event did change my life. It made me realize that life is precious and that you don't know what's gonna happen when. It gives you a different outlook on life.

If you can't learn from someone elses experiences, you won't learn that much in life....

QUOTE(trashtalkr)This event did change my life. It made me realize that life is precious and that you don't know what's gonna happen when. It gives you a different outlook on life.  


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But did it really? Or is that just the right thing to say?

Of course it was a very terrible thing, live-changing would be a SEVERE UNDERSTATEMENT!!! But, not for us, since their is no way to understand the tragedy that those who lost loved ones, etc. will ever know..

We just cant. Cant feel as much pain. Same way, Joe Schmoe couldnt feel as much pain as me if my dad died. People have not been talking like that though, and that is the whole point of my big debate over this.

But you've gotta admit that this is bigger than just your dad dying (no offense). This big of a tragedy affects people more than just one person dying. That's what I've been trying to get through to you.

DeEje...

It has come to my understanding that perhaps something in your life has recently left you emotionally scarred, and that you just can't help it...I say that because when I read these things you are writing, you are putting all of humanity in your callous emotional boat, and saying it is commonplace...

It is not...

For example:
QUOTE(DeEje)IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO BE AS DEVASTATED AS YOU THINK YOU ARE.

Repeat that to yourself...Are you saying that you...That you have figured out ALL of the world, been here and done that long enough, seen and done enough, that you have figured people out..? You have enough balls, I can tell you that...How will you attempt to tell a grown man, such as myself, that I don't have a grasp on life's lessons..? I'm almost sure that I'm smart enough to know how I feel, that I know how my experiences affect me more than anybody else...

You must be capable of passing through the minds and souls of people...That's fuckin' awesome...

You keep talking about that, and passing it off as some sort of universal fact...You keep rolling back to emotional torment...NOBODY SAID THAT, and you still haven't decided to go back and read the threads and posts that may have given you that idea...People saying that they are sad, doesn't equate to personal devastation...Seeing a tragic event and letting it impact your life...You're telling me you don't see how that can happen..? That is scary...Because if you can say that, you can say that you see little children on television starving to death, yet you don't think twice about throwing away food...That you see homeless people on the street, and have NEVER given thought to the blessing that you have a roof over your head...

If you don't give a shit (It's pretty obvious that you do not) please don't attempt to doom all of humanity with you:

QUOTE(DeEje)But, not for us, since their is no way to understand the tragedy that those who lost loved ones, etc. will ever know..

If you are proud of the way you feel, then be proud...But don't try to assimilate everyone, or even the majority of people into these statements...You have offered no proof or supportive statements to hold up your claim...Even in that merit, it is bogus...

If you don't see what it is you're missing out of this, you have said one thing that I should hope strike a nerve in proving my point...

I shall pray for you...

Deeje, I've read this thread from start to finish a couple of times and still can't figure out what the hell the point
is to it. Many of the people that have posted in this thread have agreed with you in some capacity or another. However,
I'm still having a problem trying to figure out where you're trying to go with it.

It is absolutly possible to feel pain and remorse for those people whether you knew them personally or not and YES IT COULD have been a life changing event for people.....depending where the individual is in their life. I for one, was sick to my stomach and, believe it or not, was VERY shaken by what happened, not because I knew anyone over there but because I looked at it from the perspective of a parent (which you can't do) and wondered what went through a fathers head at the moment he realized he would never see his child again. You can't put yourself in that postion, so your point is moot.


I understand that you're stating it's not possible to feel the same level of pain because the people that died weren't close to you and I agree, however, is it possible for ME to feel, although not necessarily MORE, but a different kind of remorse than you?

I think ya'll should just let the kid...care or not care as much as he deems it necessary. Guilt trips over his statements (which in turn are being brought out as unnecessary defense), aren't going to make THAT much difference, if any.
Maybe at some point in his life, he'll get his chance to better understand and relate to the magnitude of this (doubtful, unless he somehow finds himself standing on a piece of cement where his whole neighborhood used to sit), but life experience covers the topics that school and parents don't touch.

Lol...way to put the guilt trip to him...

Well...I can only hope he doesn't see it as that.

lol...naaaaah, truth be told, I don't give a shit either way. My whole point is that he shouldn't have to adjust how he feels or explain his words, not defensively anyways. I prefer a frank discussion which might come closer to the real person's mindset, than having to slowly sugar-coat shit until everyone's happy. I don't feel the need to fucking babysit and walk on eggshells, don't see why the kid should have to devote page after page of rewrites.

"The Lord is my shepherd" and "love thy neighbor" [-o<

...turns out the shit reads real pretty in VU, but it don't translate that smoothly in practice, huh?.

Ok, while I have remained pretty much professional through this, peeps is startin to get disrespectful..I wont tolerate that..

First off, not disrespectful but..

QUOTE(trashtalkr)But you've gotta admit that this is bigger than just your dad dying (no offense). This big of a tragedy affects people more than just one person dying. That's what I've been trying to get through to you.

You say that issall gravy but picture a scenario..You here the news of the Tsunami. You are sick to your stomach for a few minutes, hours even, depending on who you are..But pretty soon, it has MOSTLY been moved to the back part of your brain, and you go run upstairs back to playing Halo 2 (dont say its to take your mind of the tragedy, aint buyin that /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />)..

On the other hand, you get a phone call saying your dad has died in a car wreck. That is something that you will never recover from, and the Xbox will probably not be running for weeks..

And people still sayin that The Wave affected their lives more than losing a dearly loved one. On a global standpoint, yea the Tsunami affected everyone more than if jus my dad died. Thas obvious and not really being discussed (if that is what you meant by people).. But man, I just dont see how people can say they are more emotionally torn apart by this than if their own family was lost.