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No, that's not what you said...

I asked if negative -1 was a number...Meaning, can you look at a table and count the amount of apples into the negative...

Yes, when I look at the table, and you owe me an apple, I can count that you have -1 apples... because you still owe me an apple. You are in the hole.

When you get into any negitive number you cannot count to it. Every number chart starts with 0 for a reason. 0 Holds the place of no items. If there is nothing there, then there is 0 of whatever you are trying to count. 0 is in fact a number that holds value. Do you have money... no... so you would then have $0 right?

Where do you keep going with this owe you an apple shit..? LoL...

I'm asking if you can count - of something...Can you look to a table and see -1 apples..?

While I'm pretty sure you read the thread to see points discussed rather than just jumping in, let me summarize my feelings:

Dictionary.com says of 0:
the figure or symbol 0, which in the Arabic notation for numbers stands for the absence of quantity; cipher.

m-w.com says of 0:
the arithmetical symbol 0 or <null> denoting the absence of all magnitude or quantity

And so forth...Now, for example,

Dictionary.com says of 1 (as pertaining to numbers):
the first and lowest whole number

m-w.com says a (natural) number is:
the number 1 or any number (as 3, 12, 432) obtained by adding 1 to it one or more times : a positive integer

Feel free to look the up yourself, mind commenting though, why 0 is called first and foremost a symbol, and not a number..? If you are couting apples on a table, you are talking about a natural number...

I'm fucking hungry... and I love apples. FEDEX me some.

Can you see negitive anything? No... but you know that negitive numbers exist.

Ok, wikipedia says: 0 (zero) is both a number †™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬‚

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 and a numerical digit. Zero is the last digit to be incorporated in most numeral systems. In the English language, zero may also be called nil when a number, o/oh when a numeral, and nought/naught in either context.

What does that mean... 0 is a FREAKING NUMBER BECAUSE I SAID SO. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

0 is a place holding number to show nothing. If you have nothing, then you have 0 of it. 0 is a number and can be added to a number to increase it's value. Which has to make 0 a number.

Where is the all important 0 in the Roman numeral (XX) twenty..?

Does...That make X a number as well..? By the way, anyone can write a Wikipedia article, I've done it myself a couple of times...

Ya, but Wikipedia helps my arguement.

Roman numerals are not used anymore because as our understaning on the universe and it's properties expanded, so did our need for more complex mathmatical equations.

Roman numerals are not used anymore because as our understaning on the universe and it's properties expanded, so did our need for more complex mathmatical equations.

Relatively speaking, that wasn't that long ago...Our understanding of the universe has changed, but I doubt you'll be able to properly explain how 0 fit into that...Unless you can tell us which everyday activity is it that you encounter that requires a complex mathematical equation...

If you say 0 is a number that indicates a lack of value or quantity, then you too would have to agree that infinity is a number as well right..?

infinity is abstract. Can you quantify infninty? No, but you can count 0 apples.

Roman numerals can still be used, but they don't fit our mathmatical equations anymore. Can you encounter a need for Chemistry every day... or Calc.? No, but it is in fact needed in some basis.

Inifinity is a theoretical number. It is much like God... you will never reach it, never see it, never prove it... but you have faith that it is there. I can prove 0 apples... GIVE ME THAT FUCKING APPLE. Now you got 0 apples.

OK, now you're loosing me....

0 = lack of quantity
∞ = limitless quantiy

I would even go so far as to say 0 and ∞ are equal to one another, one in a same, but that's just me...

So in your eyes, 0 is the number between -1 and 1..?

Infinity is the same thing as Warp speed.

0 is the number that lies between -1 and 1. -1 is a number... 1 is a number... who can 0 be a number? If you owe the bank $5.15 for overdraft, then you are negitive. If they owe you $5.15 for interest, then you are positive. If you are even and neither owes the other, then you have a 0 balance of debt.