QUOTE(highlife @ Feb 8 2007, 02:41 PM) uber....tt if you're gonna turn down that scholarship money, then you need to cease downloading and using apps that you haven't paid for...Cause truth be told, its the same shit, if not worse...Its a blatant irregularity...
me.....How is it worse or evan remotely the same ? There both illegal but remember were talking about one person and the damage done by there actions. Unless you can say one person downloading a copy of an apps caused severe damage to the company its not a fair comparison. On the other hand all you need is one person selling drugs and he alone can help screw up many peoples lives. I all ready made that point. Unless you can debate that you shouldnt keep bringing it up
What part of BILLIONS of dollars did you miss..?
What part of 'for every $100 worth of software, a consumer is taxed $15' to account for piracy' did you miss..?
Your 'one person' downloading an application is the same as my 'one person' smoking a joint...
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QUOTEtt if you're gonna turn down that scholarship money, then you need to cease downloading and using apps that you haven't paid for...Cause truth be told, its the same shit, if not worse...Its a blatant irregularity...
So I haven't posted in here for a while but I have been reading what everyone has been saying and I'm starting to rethink my decision. I probably would take the money for the scholarship but not because that means I can still download music and programs.
We sin all the time, yet God still uses our sin for good. The drug dealer is in sin for dealing the drugs, but God may be using that sin to make my life (or my son's life, or whoever's live) better. For that reason I would probably take the money
So I haven't posted in here for a while but I have been reading what everyone has been saying and I'm starting to rethink my decision. I probably would take the money for the scholarship but not because that means I can still download music and programs.
We sin all the time, yet God still uses our sin for good. The drug dealer is in sin for dealing the drugs, but God may be using that sin to make my life (or my son's life, or whoever's live) better. For that reason I would probably take the money
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That's it tt...Come into the light....We should all smoke some weed and download that new CD..!
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QUOTEme.....How is it worse or evan remotely the same ? There both illegal but remember were talking about one person and the damage done by there actions. Unless you can say one person downloading a copy of an apps caused severe damage to the company its not a fair comparison. On the other hand all you need is one person selling drugs and he alone can help screw up many peoples lives. I all ready made that point. Unless you can debate that you shouldnt keep bringing it up
One person selling drugs is powerless to affect people's lives unless they take the junk he's pushing.
quit acting like the druggies are helpless victims. poor little druggies and them mean ol pushers.
this is as stupid as the people who bitch ONLINE about how technology is evil. you don't like it, don't use it.
I ain't never had a dealer come to my house looking for money or a way to make my life fucked up.
My experiences were when dealers did come to my house, they were like "yo, this is our street, you want something, you come to us. you got a connection and want to keep that lil something, cool. but don't be bringing any business opportunity into this neighborhood or trying to pass hand-outs without talking to us, ok?" sure it was a bit more "thuggish" but hell the man was just protecting his interests. and I wasn't interested in threatening them, or questioning them.
and by the way, the neighborhood was perfectly safe until the cops ran them kids that grew up out of there, and the vietnamese kids came in and brought some really dirty shit.
the thing is with stealing apps is the people who made it don't get paid, the people who steal it don't get paid. money isn't changing hands, but it greaty devalues the product.
with drugs, the more hands it passes to, the more valuable it becomes, in general. it ain't right, but it ain't the only thing wrong, and is pretty easily avoided. it aint like I ever was walking all happy go lucky and tripped and fell face first onto a coke mirror...
by the way, the biggest part of this being fucked up is HIS MOTHER refusing him to recieve HIS SCHOLARSHIP. you have to apply for those, ya know? it ain't like its a suprise. for his mother to refuse that, when he applied, she is getting my vote for a woman who needs to let her little boy make his own decisions. If you coddle your kids at the college entrance level, you contribute to human weakness.
the kind of weakness that makes people addicts unable to deal with the weight of their own choices.
One person selling drugs is powerless to affect people's lives unless they take the junk he's pushing.
quit acting like the druggies are helpless victims. poor little druggies and them mean ol pushers.
this is as stupid as the people who bitch ONLINE about how technology is evil. you don't like it, don't use it.
I ain't never had a dealer come to my house looking for money or a way to make my life fucked up.
My experiences were when dealers did come to my house, they were like "yo, this is our street, you want something, you come to us. you got a connection and want to keep that lil something, cool. but don't be bringing any business opportunity into this neighborhood or trying to pass hand-outs without talking to us, ok?" sure it was a bit more "thuggish" but hell the man was just protecting his interests. and I wasn't interested in threatening them, or questioning them.
and by the way, the neighborhood was perfectly safe until the cops ran them kids that grew up out of there, and the vietnamese kids came in and brought some really dirty shit.
the thing is with stealing apps is the people who made it don't get paid, the people who steal it don't get paid. money isn't changing hands, but it greaty devalues the product.
with drugs, the more hands it passes to, the more valuable it becomes, in general. it ain't right, but it ain't the only thing wrong, and is pretty easily avoided. it aint like I ever was walking all happy go lucky and tripped and fell face first onto a coke mirror...
by the way, the biggest part of this being fucked up is HIS MOTHER refusing him to recieve HIS SCHOLARSHIP. you have to apply for those, ya know? it ain't like its a suprise. for his mother to refuse that, when he applied, she is getting my vote for a woman who needs to let her little boy make his own decisions. If you coddle your kids at the college entrance level, you contribute to human weakness.
the kind of weakness that makes people addicts unable to deal with the weight of their own choices.
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That doesn't mean we should go out and sin, but I'm saying that even though we do sin, God may use it for good. So if I go download a CD or take the scholarship money, it may work out for the good
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uber...And more importantly, why its cool for you to sell a website you made with bootlegged software, but not cool for you to take money you made from selling joints and give a kid a free ride to college...
uber.....What part of BILLIONS of dollars did you miss..?
What part of 'for every $100 worth of software, a consumer is taxed $15' to account for piracy' did you miss..?Your 'one person' downloading an application is the same as my 'one person' smoking a joint...
me.....Did a person downloading a copy of software to make a website personally cause BILLIONS of dollars in damage to that company.? He is responsible for what he did not what everybody did
¦.How much damage does the selling of $1000 or $50,000 worth of drugs to make a scholarship do ?
uber...Even with student loans, grants, and so forth, I was barely getting by dude...And now I have an education, that if I had stayed in that field, I would barely be making enough to pay back the student loans...
uber...If my Mom had been offered 50K, and turned it down cause she found out the dude that put up the money was anything short of a child molester, I don't know if we'd be friends...
me....Its nice to know you can draw a line in the sand. That™s a good point about your parents making a moral decision that you would have to pay for. When I was arguing for other financial options I was talking about if I or a young adult were making the decision for our selves. We don™t know the details but I would hope it was the kids choice and if not I would want to see the parents paying for a big part of there moral choice.
uber.....What part of BILLIONS of dollars did you miss..?
What part of 'for every $100 worth of software, a consumer is taxed $15' to account for piracy' did you miss..?Your 'one person' downloading an application is the same as my 'one person' smoking a joint...
me.....Did a person downloading a copy of software to make a website personally cause BILLIONS of dollars in damage to that company.? He is responsible for what he did not what everybody did
¦.How much damage does the selling of $1000 or $50,000 worth of drugs to make a scholarship do ?
uber...Even with student loans, grants, and so forth, I was barely getting by dude...And now I have an education, that if I had stayed in that field, I would barely be making enough to pay back the student loans...
uber...If my Mom had been offered 50K, and turned it down cause she found out the dude that put up the money was anything short of a child molester, I don't know if we'd be friends...
me....Its nice to know you can draw a line in the sand. That™s a good point about your parents making a moral decision that you would have to pay for. When I was arguing for other financial options I was talking about if I or a young adult were making the decision for our selves. We don™t know the details but I would hope it was the kids choice and if not I would want to see the parents paying for a big part of there moral choice.
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QUOTE("highlife")Did a person downloading a copy of software to make a website personally cause BILLIONS of dollars in damage to that company.? He is responsible for what he did not what everybody did
And I'm not sure how to make the comparison stick out any more, but you have to realize piracy hurts on huge scale, more than any of that dude...I don't know a global chain of drug dealers...
1 person selling drugs in one community doesn't effect the entire nation...Because of piracy, do you thing programmers make as much money as they used to..? You don't think those billions of dollars lost each year affects the education system..? Would you go to college, spend 75K on computer programming degree, get out and make $12 an hour cause you me and everyone else don't see the problem with downloading a $1,100 CS2 suite..?
Do you seriously not see the implications this has that far outweigh the drug dealers..? Do you think that doing a line of coke inhibits a guitar players ability to play his instrument..? What about Ricky Williams running for 1,300 yards in the NFL and is an admitted pot head..?
Meh, I don't get your not getting it, lol...
And I'm not sure how to make the comparison stick out any more, but you have to realize piracy hurts on huge scale, more than any of that dude...I don't know a global chain of drug dealers...
1 person selling drugs in one community doesn't effect the entire nation...Because of piracy, do you thing programmers make as much money as they used to..? You don't think those billions of dollars lost each year affects the education system..? Would you go to college, spend 75K on computer programming degree, get out and make $12 an hour cause you me and everyone else don't see the problem with downloading a $1,100 CS2 suite..?
Do you seriously not see the implications this has that far outweigh the drug dealers..? Do you think that doing a line of coke inhibits a guitar players ability to play his instrument..? What about Ricky Williams running for 1,300 yards in the NFL and is an admitted pot head..?
Meh, I don't get your not getting it, lol...
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Im sorry i thought we were comparing the actions of one dealer to one person downloading some software.
National Drug Intelligence Center
National Drug Threat Assessment 2006
January 2006
The negative consequences of drug abuse affect not only individuals who abuse drugs but also their families and friends, various businesses, and government resources. Although many of these effects cannot be quantified, ONDCP recently reported that in 2002, the economic cost of drug abuse to the United States was $180.9 billion.
The economic impact of drug abuse on businesses whose employees abuse drugs can be significant. While many drug abusers are unable to attain or hold full-time employment, those who do work put others at risk, particularly when employed in positions where even a minor degree of impairment could be catastrophic; airline pilots, air traffic controllers, train operators, and bus drivers are just a few examples.
Moreover, absenteeism, lost productivity, and increased use of medical and insurance benefits by employees who abuse drugs affect a business financially.
The economic consequences of drug abuse severely burden federal, state, and local government resources and, ultimately, the taxpayer. According to DEA, the average cost to clean up a methamphetamine production laboratory is $1,900. Given that an average of 9,777 methamphetamine laboratory seizures were reported to NCLSS each year between 2002 and 2004, the economic impact is obvious. DEA absorbs a significant portion of such costs through a Hazardous Waste Cleanup Program and in 2004 administered over 10,061 state and local clandestine laboratory cleanups and dumpsites at a cost of over $18.6 million.
The most obvious effects of drug abuse--which are manifested in the individuals who abuse drugs--include ill health, sickness and, ultimately, death. Particularly devastating to an abuser's health is the contraction of needle borne illnesses including hepatitis and HIV/AIDS through injection drug use
Children of individuals who abuse drugs often are abused or neglected as a result of the individuals' preoccupation with drugs. National-level studies have shown that parents who abuse drugs often put their need to obtain and abuse drugs before the health and welfare of their children.
Are you saying drug dealers are not a threat to the economy becouse there not joined together in a corperation...LOL
Are you saying the guy who stole $1000 of software is solely responsible for shifting the balance of economics...LOL
Are you saying you can Quantify the possible impact drugs have on a family unit...LOL
Are you saying becouse some one does drugs and plays football drugs dont do great harm to society ...LOL
Do some research dude and stop acting like drugs are gateraid
National Drug Intelligence Center
National Drug Threat Assessment 2006
January 2006
The negative consequences of drug abuse affect not only individuals who abuse drugs but also their families and friends, various businesses, and government resources. Although many of these effects cannot be quantified, ONDCP recently reported that in 2002, the economic cost of drug abuse to the United States was $180.9 billion.
The economic impact of drug abuse on businesses whose employees abuse drugs can be significant. While many drug abusers are unable to attain or hold full-time employment, those who do work put others at risk, particularly when employed in positions where even a minor degree of impairment could be catastrophic; airline pilots, air traffic controllers, train operators, and bus drivers are just a few examples.
Moreover, absenteeism, lost productivity, and increased use of medical and insurance benefits by employees who abuse drugs affect a business financially.
The economic consequences of drug abuse severely burden federal, state, and local government resources and, ultimately, the taxpayer. According to DEA, the average cost to clean up a methamphetamine production laboratory is $1,900. Given that an average of 9,777 methamphetamine laboratory seizures were reported to NCLSS each year between 2002 and 2004, the economic impact is obvious. DEA absorbs a significant portion of such costs through a Hazardous Waste Cleanup Program and in 2004 administered over 10,061 state and local clandestine laboratory cleanups and dumpsites at a cost of over $18.6 million.
The most obvious effects of drug abuse--which are manifested in the individuals who abuse drugs--include ill health, sickness and, ultimately, death. Particularly devastating to an abuser's health is the contraction of needle borne illnesses including hepatitis and HIV/AIDS through injection drug use
Children of individuals who abuse drugs often are abused or neglected as a result of the individuals' preoccupation with drugs. National-level studies have shown that parents who abuse drugs often put their need to obtain and abuse drugs before the health and welfare of their children.
Are you saying drug dealers are not a threat to the economy becouse there not joined together in a corperation...LOL
Are you saying the guy who stole $1000 of software is solely responsible for shifting the balance of economics...LOL
Are you saying you can Quantify the possible impact drugs have on a family unit...LOL
Are you saying becouse some one does drugs and plays football drugs dont do great harm to society ...LOL
Do some research dude and stop acting like drugs are gateraid
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OK, lets do it your way...
I'm sorry i thought we were comparing the actions of one dealer to one person downloading some software.
I go to the local dude, and buy a $10 dime bag of weed...Go home and smoke it...
trashtalkr goes home, buys a 5th of Jack Daniels, goes home and drinks it...
You go home and download a pirated copy of Windows XP Professional, that retails for $299...
Hmm...Which one is the more damaging..?
I'm sorry i thought we were comparing the actions of one dealer to one person downloading some software.
I go to the local dude, and buy a $10 dime bag of weed...Go home and smoke it...
trashtalkr goes home, buys a 5th of Jack Daniels, goes home and drinks it...
You go home and download a pirated copy of Windows XP Professional, that retails for $299...
Hmm...Which one is the more damaging..?
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@ highlife...
explain the difference between buying drugs and buying (fast food) burgers?
explain the difference between buying drugs and buying (fast food) burgers?
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