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With number such as the golden ratio, that's more or less an observation, not a creation...The simple fact that Phi shows up in nature, in things that are not solid stuctures (such as phyllotaxis) counts for something, does it not..? It's perfectly symmetrical in many instances, and is a product of someone studying the universe, and noting the vast amount of repetitions to certain objects, both organic and inorganic, on this planet and off of it...Mathematics in undoubtedly the one and only universal language, each and every thing is and can be assigned a number...I think when we are looking at things such as the golden ratio, we are seeing the very thing that explains "In his image we are created..."

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I'm tryin to spend as many Sundays at the beach as possible...

Anyhow, the fact that Phi shows up in botanical structures can be a sign of Intelligent Design, sure, but it can also mean that nature has found the number suitable for it's organic formations. It's just a pattern repeating itself, with slight variations, the way you can create fascinating structures in computer simulations. Mathematics is definitely a language suitable for nature, i'm just not sure it absolutely proves the existance of a designer, besides nature itself.

But how would the number get there? Phi would not repeat on it's own without an Intelligent Designer. It's proven that the world is moving into chaos....not everything moving together. If there wasn't a Creator, and Phi was still everywhere, that means that the world would be moving towards unity. That's not happening

The number "got there" when mathematicians "put it there". If the structure worked, why wouldn't it be implemented several times?. Let me in on the whole chaos vs. unity theory, and it's relation to Phi, I'm not understanding where you're coming from with that.