2008 NFL Discussion Thread
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Yeah....wrong football thread
"If there were no eternal consciousness in a man, if at the bottom of everything there were only a wild ferment, a power that twisting in dark passions produced everything great or inconsequential; if an unfathomable insatiable emptiness lay hid beneath everything, what would life be but despair?"
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Kumicho wrote:I'm just down on the NFL for some reason, I don't know...
HA! I think it's the man love for Brady that's missing this year Ube! It is for me anyway cause I feel the same. Just isn't the same watching the game I love without seeing the man I love playing it...oops did I say that....hey it's purely a game thing ok?
Sorry I can't talk college ball with ya though I just don't really get into it like I do the pro's. And oh yeah a Grace Kim thread should be arriving as sooooooon as the pics come in...can't wait, she so yummy!! :dance:
Changed my mind again about SB matchup. Think it's the Boys and the Titans this year.
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Geez give the guy a chance! He only had seven years and about 5 number one picks to work with... :p They oughta fire the owner too. :x
Lions fire president Millen after 31-84 record
By LARRY LAGE, AP Sports Writer 2 minutes ago
ALLEN PARK, Mich. (AP)—Matt Millen has been fired as Detroit Lions president, a team official told The Associated Press on Wednesday.
The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the team had not yet formally announced the dismissal.
The move comes more than seven years after the former linebacker and TV analyst took over one of the NFL’s most mediocre franchises and made it the worst. Millen’s teams won a league-low 31 games since he took over in 2001, but Detroit owner William Clay Ford had refused to get rid of him until now.
On Monday, Bill Ford, son of the team owner, said he would fire Millen, but didn’t have the authority.
Detroit was routed in each of its first three games this season, falling behind 21-0 twice and 21-3 once en route to lopsided losses. The Lions are off this week.
The 0-3 start dropped Millen to 31-84 overall, giving the Lions at least 10 more losses than any other NFL team over the past seven-plus seasons.
FoxSports.com was the first to report Millen’s departure.
The tipping point might have been public comments made by the owner’s son. Lions vice chairman Bill Ford said Millen should leave the team, and the Ford Motor Co. executive chairman said if he had the authority, he would make moves.
“I think the fans deserve better,” Bill Ford told reporters. “And if it were in my authority, which it’s not, I’d make some significant changes.”
His father finally agreed that Millen had to go.
Drivers of vehicles whizzing past the Allen Park facility beeped their horns and gleefully yelled out about the apparent end of the Millen era. A gaggle of reporters, videographers and still photographers roamed around the grounds, waiting for official word of Millen’s departure.
In rare interviews, the elder Ford has stood by his decision to hire Millen and to stick with him despite “Fire Mil-len!” chants from fans as he sank the team to one of the poorest eras in NFL history.
William Clay Ford also has been the target of criticism. Since he took over the franchise, starting with the 1964 season, the Lions have won only one playoff game.
The owner said in 2003 he hadn’t considered firing Millen.
“I want him. I don’t need any more reason than that,” he said.
Lions fire president Millen after 31-84 record
By LARRY LAGE, AP Sports Writer 2 minutes ago
ALLEN PARK, Mich. (AP)—Matt Millen has been fired as Detroit Lions president, a team official told The Associated Press on Wednesday.
The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the team had not yet formally announced the dismissal.
The move comes more than seven years after the former linebacker and TV analyst took over one of the NFL’s most mediocre franchises and made it the worst. Millen’s teams won a league-low 31 games since he took over in 2001, but Detroit owner William Clay Ford had refused to get rid of him until now.
On Monday, Bill Ford, son of the team owner, said he would fire Millen, but didn’t have the authority.
Detroit was routed in each of its first three games this season, falling behind 21-0 twice and 21-3 once en route to lopsided losses. The Lions are off this week.
The 0-3 start dropped Millen to 31-84 overall, giving the Lions at least 10 more losses than any other NFL team over the past seven-plus seasons.
FoxSports.com was the first to report Millen’s departure.
The tipping point might have been public comments made by the owner’s son. Lions vice chairman Bill Ford said Millen should leave the team, and the Ford Motor Co. executive chairman said if he had the authority, he would make moves.
“I think the fans deserve better,” Bill Ford told reporters. “And if it were in my authority, which it’s not, I’d make some significant changes.”
His father finally agreed that Millen had to go.
Drivers of vehicles whizzing past the Allen Park facility beeped their horns and gleefully yelled out about the apparent end of the Millen era. A gaggle of reporters, videographers and still photographers roamed around the grounds, waiting for official word of Millen’s departure.
In rare interviews, the elder Ford has stood by his decision to hire Millen and to stick with him despite “Fire Mil-len!” chants from fans as he sank the team to one of the poorest eras in NFL history.
William Clay Ford also has been the target of criticism. Since he took over the franchise, starting with the 1964 season, the Lions have won only one playoff game.
The owner said in 2003 he hadn’t considered firing Millen.
“I want him. I don’t need any more reason than that,” he said.
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Man, the Lions couldn't win with Barry Sanders...
Nuff said IMO...
Nuff said IMO...
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WAY TO GO BEARS!!! They finally stopped someone at the end of a game to preserve a win! :dance:
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You were right Ero. Orton has been a pretty decent starter. Of course after Grossman you coulda had Paris Hilton play QB and it'd be a step up but Orton has been encouraging!
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WTF!!!
Here is the text of a letter provided by the Oakland Raiders that owner Al Davis said he gave to Lane Kiffin on Sept. 12, telling him that if he violated terms of his contract he would be fired for cause:
September 12, 2008
By Hand Delivery and Federal Express
Dear Lane:
Over the past months, you have made a number of public statements that were highly critical of, and designed to embarrass and discredit, this organization, its players and its coaches. I left you alone during training camp in hopes that you would cease your immature and destructive campaign.
However, you continue to make public statements that are critical of the organization, its players as whole as well as individual players. Such statements constitute conduct detrimental to the Raiders and I will no longer stand silently by while you continue to hurt this organization.
Further, your contract is quite clear that you work "subject to the direction and supervision of the General Partner" and that the General Partner has "the exclusive right to do all things, which in its sole discretion are necessary to maintain and improve the Club, the football organization and their activities."
I realized when I hired you that you were young and inexperienced and that there would be a learning process for you. Your mistakes on player personnel and coaches were overlooked based on our patience with you. But I never dreamt that you would be untruthful in statements to the press as well as on so many other issues. Your actions are those of a coach looking to makes (sic) excuses for not winning, rather than a coach focused on winning.
For example, with the exception of Gibril Wilson, you were involved in recruiting all free agents and determining salaries for them and you were explicit about your desire to sign Javon Walker and DeAngelo Hall amongst others. All were a must to sign in your eyes, Hall, in particular, because he played for Greg Knapp in Atlanta and Knapp gave him high grades. Do not run from that now.
I do realize that you did not want us to draft JaMarcus Russell. He is a great player. Get over it and coach this team on the field, that is what you were hired to do. We can win with this team!
In regards to your recent fabrications about the defense, during the final cuts you made every cut on offense and every cut on defense except for (Fred) Wakefield on defense and (Seth) Wand on offense. Furthermore, during the game Monday night (defensive coordinator) Rob (Ryan) played your Cover-2 defense and we got killed on an approximately 50-yard touchdown pass and an approximately 70-yard gain that led to a field goal.
You meet every week with the defensive coaches to go over both the past game and to get a general feel for what will happen during the week in practice. You have the ability and authority to provide your input during those meetings and the preparation of the game plan. I do not have weekly meetings with Rob - you do.
During the week no one has ever told you what to do on either offense or defense. In addition, no one has ever told you during a game what to do on either offense or defense and you call every play on offense. During a game if you want to blitz more, all you have to do is let Rob know what blitz you want and he will do it.
Although you continue to use the media to express your dissatisfaction with others, no one has publicly pointed out to you that in four preseason games and one regular-season game played this year, your offense has scored one first-half touchdown. That put tremendous pressure on the defense.
I know that you wanted to bring your father in to run the defense and that Monte told me that he wanted to come here even though he as (sic) under contract to Tampa. However I did not want to tamper with another team. In any event that was over seven months ago. Do not now also run from the defense and your responsibilities.
This letter constitutes notice that if you further violate any term of your contract, in any manner whatsoever, you will be terminated for cause. I trust that this will not occur.
Copyright © 2008 The Canadian Press. All rights reserved.
Source: http://canadianpress.google.com/article ... ssVTAzGzUw
Here is the text of a letter provided by the Oakland Raiders that owner Al Davis said he gave to Lane Kiffin on Sept. 12, telling him that if he violated terms of his contract he would be fired for cause:
September 12, 2008
By Hand Delivery and Federal Express
Dear Lane:
Over the past months, you have made a number of public statements that were highly critical of, and designed to embarrass and discredit, this organization, its players and its coaches. I left you alone during training camp in hopes that you would cease your immature and destructive campaign.
However, you continue to make public statements that are critical of the organization, its players as whole as well as individual players. Such statements constitute conduct detrimental to the Raiders and I will no longer stand silently by while you continue to hurt this organization.
Further, your contract is quite clear that you work "subject to the direction and supervision of the General Partner" and that the General Partner has "the exclusive right to do all things, which in its sole discretion are necessary to maintain and improve the Club, the football organization and their activities."
I realized when I hired you that you were young and inexperienced and that there would be a learning process for you. Your mistakes on player personnel and coaches were overlooked based on our patience with you. But I never dreamt that you would be untruthful in statements to the press as well as on so many other issues. Your actions are those of a coach looking to makes (sic) excuses for not winning, rather than a coach focused on winning.
For example, with the exception of Gibril Wilson, you were involved in recruiting all free agents and determining salaries for them and you were explicit about your desire to sign Javon Walker and DeAngelo Hall amongst others. All were a must to sign in your eyes, Hall, in particular, because he played for Greg Knapp in Atlanta and Knapp gave him high grades. Do not run from that now.
I do realize that you did not want us to draft JaMarcus Russell. He is a great player. Get over it and coach this team on the field, that is what you were hired to do. We can win with this team!
In regards to your recent fabrications about the defense, during the final cuts you made every cut on offense and every cut on defense except for (Fred) Wakefield on defense and (Seth) Wand on offense. Furthermore, during the game Monday night (defensive coordinator) Rob (Ryan) played your Cover-2 defense and we got killed on an approximately 50-yard touchdown pass and an approximately 70-yard gain that led to a field goal.
You meet every week with the defensive coaches to go over both the past game and to get a general feel for what will happen during the week in practice. You have the ability and authority to provide your input during those meetings and the preparation of the game plan. I do not have weekly meetings with Rob - you do.
During the week no one has ever told you what to do on either offense or defense. In addition, no one has ever told you during a game what to do on either offense or defense and you call every play on offense. During a game if you want to blitz more, all you have to do is let Rob know what blitz you want and he will do it.
Although you continue to use the media to express your dissatisfaction with others, no one has publicly pointed out to you that in four preseason games and one regular-season game played this year, your offense has scored one first-half touchdown. That put tremendous pressure on the defense.
I know that you wanted to bring your father in to run the defense and that Monte told me that he wanted to come here even though he as (sic) under contract to Tampa. However I did not want to tamper with another team. In any event that was over seven months ago. Do not now also run from the defense and your responsibilities.
This letter constitutes notice that if you further violate any term of your contract, in any manner whatsoever, you will be terminated for cause. I trust that this will not occur.
Copyright © 2008 The Canadian Press. All rights reserved.
Source: http://canadianpress.google.com/article ... ssVTAzGzUw
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That's what I thought at first, the idea that Kiffin would have any say in signing and cutting payers is beyond belief, but Al's one fucked up demented paranoid douchebag.
Exhibit One, if Lane tries to get his money.......'so sue me'.
I don't think Shanahan ever got his, and it wasn't peanuts.
Push the greaseball's wheelchair down to the sideline and let him coach I say. :x
Exhibit One, if Lane tries to get his money.......'so sue me'.
I don't think Shanahan ever got his, and it wasn't peanuts.
Push the greaseball's wheelchair down to the sideline and let him coach I say. :x
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There's not too many people I wish assassination on but besides Ahmedijad I'm thinking al Davis. The man is pure bile, bitterness, and hair gel smothered in secret evil sauce. Somebody should cut off his Oxygen tank's supply and bring the Raiders back from the abyss...
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