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blixa wrote:personaly I think in the end Mccain isnt the Maverick he says he is and America will probably be "short changed" by Obama
Palin won't end up being able to "ban abortion" or make "everyone go to church" and Biden will just be your same ole' democrat

palin never once tried to do anything like that. she cut funds for anti-abortionists, increased funds for pregnant women and teens, and believes in the use and instruction of contraceptives.

In a widely quoted 2006 survey she answered during her gubernatorial campaign, Palin said she supported abstinence-until-marriage programs. But weeks later, she proclaimed herself "pro-contraception" and said condoms ought to be discussed in schools alongside abstinence.

"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues," she said during a debate in Juneau.

I have never used the M...k word. I am not a mcainiac. In fact, I was the first person to criticize him on this forum, including questioning his military image promoted by others. I generally don't like "neo-con". I do stand with him, and Obama, on many issues though. Then again they stand together on many issues as well.

what do you guys feel seperates the two

Obama is a socialist. I dislike socialism, prolly because I am fiercely independent. shrug, maybe some people need it. I am so anti-socialist that I oppose the Pledge of Allegiance, and i expressed that here as well.

Biden presiding over a democrat congress which has the worst congressional record ever introducing bills to a socialist president is a really BAD idea.

McCain seems to have a good VP selection. If she can stay as clean and directed as her past. I secretly hope she goes apeshit on the whole system and we are left with the need to create a govt as simple as the core values that she uses to stir up Republican angst in Alaska govt. she does not vote abortion issues into alaska.

McCain himself is a neo-con. Despite that He has some good ideas, but I need to see even more FEDERAL conservatism. (like Ben Franklin was my man!!! Screw all these new people.)

I mean you can argue economics but you can't really judge that untill they have had a few years in oriffice

as a data analyst who works with financial information systems and energy industry risk management systems, I only trust my own analysis of raw data. i see wrong reports all the time from companies and govt. agencies.

for me it's been the stance on the Iraq war/Invasion that really seperates them...

at this time, both candidates see a future with at least a minimal military presence in iraq until 2010, and maybe even 2025. this is really a non-issue. it is a globalism country building effort that i don't support being promoted as a war. I have well documented my position on how something has to be done, but if we are going to go to war, let's not pretend. wat should be atrocious terrible and quick; and seldom, if ever, employed with no reservation.

but both of these men are conditioned for tolerance of sectarian violence by their partisan nature.... though alot of their views are very similarly unconstitutional. but some of those common views are not constitutional but are sound judgements that religious regression must not be allowed to interfere with. Just like both opposed same sex marriage, and both vote stem cells. The major issues are funding efforts for social programs that have yet to prove they EVER work, and more recently partial birth abortion. both vote pretty much the same on alot of other issues.

Sorry if we got off on the wrong foot dude

My original post was just a reaction to how childish Pallins convention speech was and i was taking the piss...

blixa wrote:Sorry if we got off on the wrong foot dude

My original post was just a reaction to how childish Pallins convention speech was and i was taking the piss...

and i did no better by scrambling to post while in my cups after a frustrating night of packing hundreds of books and hitting the forum cause i couldn't sleep.

I honestly think half the heat in here is because I don't use a mouse on my laptop, and hit the damn tiny "edit" button next to the damn tiny "quote" button and didn't see it until i had to hurry and post so i wouldn't lose my post. it was not a good impression... but you can see i don't think many people here have extreme political loyalties. We tend to be real people, and though me and kumicho are tearing into it here,.. we been close since 1999. and he knows i am legally blind without glasses now, and still can't see in 20/20.

As for politics, I don't post on any other forums about it. posted some stuff a few years ago. This and video games is pretty much my efforts on the net forum stuff. The reason I tend to post here is because the occasional view aside, most people tend to be goodwill social moderates with some common sense conservatism. and before this, we tended to support or oppose issues, not candidates... I have been trying to present counterpoint, but it is failing.

And I did no favors to my ownself by saying I don't care about international opinions, but seriously, in here, every political argument has been started by or escalated exponentially by a Non-American espousing about american politics from some very charged emotional state. Be it a belgian socialist from another monarchy, or a canuck conservative we love to hate.

** hugs all around ** :p

Kumicho wrote:** hugs all around ** :p

Oh, you say that... but you still won't pick up the phone and let me convince you to vote for McCain. (I AM JOKING PEOPLE!!!)

CDR x 2 :laff: :laff:

raum wrote:

Kumicho wrote:** hugs all around ** :p

Oh, you say that... but you still won't pick up the phone and let me convince you to vote for McCain. (I AM JOKING PEOPLE!!!)

CDR :D

When I am on the PC, I am usually intentionally not anywhere near the phone...And if the number is unfamiliar, my Moms won't answer it, lol...When we talk, I'm usually not on the computer and take the phone w/me when I go to other places...If I decide to vote, however, I will...Give McCain due consideration... :roll: :p

Pardon my ignorance (and laziness, yes), but when do we get to see debates? I think McCain and Palin need to get they shit together because the enchantment of the MILF is wearing off real fucking quick.
Granted, Dems are, again, just smooooooth-riding this one.

I believe the first debate is around Oct 2nd or thereabouts.

Orson Smelles wrote:I believe the first debate is around Oct 2nd or thereabouts.

First debate is Friday - at University of Mississippi. My feeling is Ty should go liveblog it.