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What exactly is the significance of this day? Is it just another 'Halloween'? Why is it considered "bad"?

Is it just a Catholic cover up of a so-called "evil" day that was celebrated by early AD Northern European country folk (ie "pagans")?



I just know that, I'm gonna dress up like this guy (2nd pic), just for kicks /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />


Seriously, this is a serious topic, not an excuse to post pictures of a bloke dressed up as a cross between KISS' Gene Simmons and a pro-wrestler.


What exactly is "Black Friday the 13th"? :?:

Friday was seen as unlucky,..

13 was seen as unlucky.

the earliest connection of these two together was in Judiasm's Mishvah "wisdom teachings" that if the 14th day of the month of Nissan is Paschal (Passover Sabbat), then the 13th day of Nissan was a Friday. this in no way represents all of the ideas synthesized into this, but it is historically significant to Christiandom's fear of the 13th day of a month.

particularly, the 13th day of Nissan (which is the astrolocial Aries, and is roughly March 19-22 to April 19-22)

This is when Pharaoh refused to let the people of Mosheh go and cost the lives of all of the firstborn sons of Mitzraim (Egypt).

Hence the mishvah of the 13th of Nissan was if it was the day before a Sabbath, it was a bad day to be cruel or stingy... cause you would pay heavily. It is for these same reasons the Age of 13 years is the time to celebrate Bar Mitzvah, the becoming of a Man (as well as Bat Mitzvah for Women); for at this point, YOU become responsible for your actions, and must learn to align your Ratzon (will and desire) with the Tikkun (greater social consensus.)

13 is a number of power to the Jews, and is the value of AChD, Achad, "The Great One, Unity.", as well as many other mysteries... BUT you must be capable of bearing it.

As fear of Jews (as eaters of babies and killers of Jesus) was spread, so was spread their day of Power,.. which occured on the 13th day of Nissan, and was especially powerful on the 13th of Nissan, when the 14th was Sabbat (Saturday).

as this spread, it changed and soon we have the whole thing left as a motive for slasher flicks and bad luck.

hope that makes for an interesting read...

As if we still recognize a day with anti-Semetic roots. lol

This sounds a bit like Astaroth- the Catholic Christians didn't like something that had 'power', so they relinquished it as "eeevvillll".........


kinda selfish...


Thanks Charles for the explanation- it was interesting.



Oh (sorry this may seem trolling), I thought it takes more than becoming responsible for your own actions to become a man:- Time. Patience, experience. Several careers of varying success... /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

i'm no expert on this...
but this is what i know:

On October 13, 1307, a friday, Philip the Fair of France ordered the arrest of all the Knights Templar. It is said that orders were given out in sealed packages to be opened only at the appointed time so as to effect a surprise on the knights to prevent them from escaping. Some of them were able to get away. It is said that some of them went to Scotland and fought alongside Robert the Bruce against the Englishmen. They were able to defeat a larger contingent at the Battle of Bannockburn.

It is said that Philip was envious of the Knights great power, influence and wealth and wanted to gain control over these.

Pope Clement V also issued a Papal Bull dissolving the order, officially ending its exitence. The Knights were charged with heresy which included worshipping an idol with a goat's head called Baphomet. Most of the Knights were tortured and then executed.


That's one more story on the origin of bad luck on Friday the 13th.

Interestingly enough...I am a decendant of Robert the Bruce. One of my fun family history facts, although it does make watching braveheart just a little uncomfortable.... /:D" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt=":D" />

Here is another "fun fact" for you.... the word used to describe the fear of friday the 13th: Paraskevidekatriaphobia

There are drawbacks to the Templar Knight's "day so infamous" thesis, not the least of which is that it attributes great cultural significance to a relatively obscure historical event. Even more problematic, for this or any other theory positing premodern origins for Friday the 13th superstitions, is the fact that no one has been able to document the existence of such beliefs prior to the 19th century. If people who lived before the late 1800s perceived Friday the 13th as a day of special misfortune, no evidence has been found to prove it. Some scholars suspect the stigma is a thoroughly modern phenomenon exacerbated by 20th-century media hype.

Going back a hundred years, Friday the 13th doesn't even merit a mention in E. Cobham Brewer's voluminous 1898 edition of the "Dictionary of Phrase and Fable," though one does find separate entries for "Friday, an Unlucky Day" and "Thirteen Unlucky." When the date of ill fate finally does make an appearance in later editions of the text, it is without extravagant claims as to the superstition's historicity or longevity. The very brevity of the entry is instructive †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬? "A particularly unlucky Friday. See Thirteen" †™ ¢‚¬„¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¢†™‚¢‚¢¢¢‚¬Å¡‚¬¦‚¡¢‚¬Å¡‚¬†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬? implying that the extra dollop of misfortune attributed to Friday the 13th can be accounted for in terms of an accrual, so to speak, of bad omens: Unlucky Friday + Unlucky 13 = Unluckier Friday.

There is, of course, countless speculation regarding the origin of these two omens of misfortune separately and, not surprisingly, many of the explanations have roots buried in various theologies and cultural traditions.

Peace Out
-Mr. SM-

Wow Dude!
You're of royal blood!

any chance of giving us a tour of ur homeland?

...haven't been to a castle ...or any of that sort of thing! /:D" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt=":D" />

QUOTEt is said that Philip was envious of the Knights great power, influence and wealth and wanted to gain control over these.  

Pope Clement V also issued a Papal Bull dissolving the order, officially ending its exitence. The Knights were charged with heresy which included worshipping an idol with a goat's head called Baphomet. Most of the Knights were tortured and then executed.

Baphomet was not depicted with a goat's head until Eliphas Levi's Transcedental Magic, nor does that stand in the accusation : Its Ritual and Dogma ("Dogme et Rituel de La Haute Magie" in the Original French). He chose this form because of a gargoyle on the building of the Commandry of Saint Bris le Vineux, which is a Grand Commandry of the Poor Knights of the Order of the Temple, or the "Knights Templar."

Luctor et emergo.