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I was just thinking about this today...

I have had a hard time understanding atheism...I'm not sure if it is not believing in a God period, or not believing in the view of God as presented in the bible...To date, I've have never met a reasonable atheist...They'll say they don't believe in God, but will turn right around and say they believe in things like ghosts and UFO's...I have never heard an atheist give a reasonable explanation for ignoring the precense of a higher power, even though that precense can be proven to some extent, other than, "I just don't believe it.."

So I ask, can an atheist believe in anything..? Or does that mean that they simply don't believe in God, but are free to believe in other things that require the same principlas and context, as believing in God...?

All atheists I've ran into always end up contradicting themselves. To them it's a belief in non-belief. They believe that you can't believe anything. I think the people that you ran into Ty, just don't believe in a God. They aren't full atheists. Why they would believe in UFO's and ghosts but not God, I can't explain, but all atheists I've ran into always contradict themselves somehow

an atheist can believe in ANYTHING BUT A SINGLE SUPREME POWER WITH A CONSCIOUS SENSE OF SELF AWARENESS THAT INCLUDES OMNIPRESENCE.

Makes sense, but I don't even believe that the supereme creator of us all is conscious of itself...I don't consider myself an athiest...It just seems dummy to me, to even give yourself a title, or observe the notion of having a title simply because you don't believe in something...I think more often than not, an athiest has no idea why they are athiest...To me, to acknowledge that there isn't a "God" is a direct contradiction all on its own...

In my eyes, an athiest can only be an athiest if they are completely unaware of any notion of a supreme being...It is a state of ignorance, or maybe immaturaty...Like a young child...I don't think adults can be athiest, period...They just choose not to belive in God, and that's fine, but on what notion..? Because they can't directly translate God through their senses..? If so, that's jokes...They have studied the mind for centuries, and have no idea how it works...But...You know it does...I find that atheist routinely believe in other things that cannot be defined, and that are not universal, cannot be observed by the senses, that they cannot prove themselves, but when it comes to God, they can say they don't believe, and be free of scrutiny...

Sigh...

QUOTE(AYHJA)I was just thinking about this today...

I have had a hard time understanding atheism...I'm not sure if it is not believing in a God period, or not believing in the view of God as presented in the bible...To date, I've have never met a reasonable atheist...They'll say they don't believe in God, but will turn right around and say they believe in things like ghosts and UFO's...I have never heard an atheist give a reasonable explanation for ignoring the precense of a higher power, even though that precense can be proven to some extent, other than, "I just don't believe it.."  

So I ask, can an atheist believe in anything..? Or does that mean that they simply don't believe in God, but are free to believe in other things that require the same principlas and context, as believing in God...?

Atheist is an abused, overused term. Someone thinks they are rebelling against God, or rebelling against organised religion, or that there is "a single supreme power with a conscious sense of self-awareness that includes omnipresence", they label themselves as an athiest.


I know a bloke who has "hoax" tattooed on his arm, because he thinks it's a big hoax about God and stuff, blindly believing that he exists and that, hates how people think they can prove that God exists and follow the Bible word for word etc. He didn't flatly say he was an atheist, but sorta made out that he, at one stage, thought he was one.

He also has a badge that says "Who would Jesus Bomb?" (just a joke thing)

And this bloke now made himself into a minister, through the Internet. He can legally be a celebrant and stuff (must be one of those odd culty churches). Otherwise he's a very sane, down-to-earth, cool guy.

I don't believe in God... but honestly... there's no real reason I don't think. It's just not something I'm interested in. I find the Bible boring. My family stopped going to church when I was really young. If I'm not mistaken I was baptized, and that's it. Both my parents believe in a higher power, but my dad is a recovering alcoholic, and my mom goes to Al-Anon meetings.

For me I think it's just the whole organization, and the routine... that's what I think turns me off. Going to church every Sunday. Reading the Bible. I've gone to a couple Al-Anon meetings with my mom before, and it's... it's the exact same thing every time. Literally. They read from a sheet of paper. They say the same prayers etc.

It just annoys me. I want to tear my hair out when I go to those meetings. lol

Add in the fact that I just don't care... Whether that makes me an athiest or not, I don't know. I don't care. lol

Dont know much about it.I thought an atheist was some one who believed there was no god or after life.That there was only there mind and the chooses they make.They enjoy who they are and dont want some one telling them they should think differently.

hey pete...i have a cousin who did the same thing over the internet.

..raum said....an atheist can believe in ANYTHING BUT A SINGLE SUPREME POWER WITH A CONSCIOUS SENSE OF SELF AWARENESS THAT INCLUDES OMNIPRESENCE.

..ya gotta explane this one....so they can believe in multi-gods that dont know they exist that cant be in more than one place at a time...just kidding.If you believe in some sort of god how can you be an atheist?

That's cute...Atheists are immature. Curious choice of words, A...you call yourself "God's Favorite" correct?, is that not a title?
an immature one at that?.
Should we really be discussing contradictions after numerous discussions about your subjective, personal "proof" (pardon the redundance), a bible...later on a bible discounted and no longer the "word of god" (whatever that means). his son, now apparently...no longer existing, according to RAUMs readings and discussion. A tale of a flood which led nowhere...a discussion on evolution vs creation which lead pretty much to the same place.
You can't define existence as proof of god, that is fucking lame, that just proofs existence can be perceived, that's all "reality" is.

How's this for contradictions...you state god is unaware of itself, great, two posts down, RAUM states the opposite.
I don't believe in god because the concept is silly to me. Atheism, by the way, is a bit broader than "no god". You could say "there cannot be a god"or "there is no proof of it" and everything in betweenI have no good, convincing reason to believe in god, that's it. All the "inescapable proof" you've offered is your own experience, nothing more.

I didn't say athiests were immature, stop speed reading... /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

We are not talking about labels and titles, like God's Favorite...Its a name...Like x3n0n3...Its my chosen moniker, and only has to mean something to me...It is personal...And the defintion of atheism has NOTHING to do with religion..Everything in your post is pointing towards a definion based on such...The mere mention of a bible or anything of the sort, takes what I am saying out of context...The belief in God or Gods doesn't have to be found in a book...A man can experience something that changes his life, and attune it to something divine...That does not have anything to do with anything you can read...

But lets take Kramer for instance...He says that he don't believe in God, and then rolls right into church based reasons...You have guys like that that are running around calling themselves athiests, when they are not...And I'm not saying anything is wrong with what Kramer has based his feelings on, hey, that's him...I am saying, that if you don't believe in God, as in, the God presented in a religious context, then you are not atheist...It is my view that God has very, very little to do with religion....

QUOTE(x3n)How's this for contradictions...you state god is unaware of itself

I never said that either...I said "supereme creator"...It wasn't last week, when we were disucssing multiple Gods that I stated my views on the matter...Guess that you missed that convo...In short, I think God is something completely seperate from the supreme creator...Per my view, The Supreme Creator has no name...God on the other hand, does...

Rewind...

Just so we're clear... AA and Al-non has nothing to do with religion. lol They make that clear at every meeting. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />