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I was reading through the old VU threads lately and no where did I see the idea of fate being disccussed. Or the idea that every man has his destiny written out. And realised how bad my posts were to follow back in that day. So anyway I have been thinking about it and I wanted to know what you all think fate/ destiny actually is?

If you google "fate" these are a few defenitions

destiny: an event (or a course of events) that will inevitably happen in the future
Destiny: the ultimate agency that predetermines the course of events (often personified as a woman); "we are helpless in the face of Destiny"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Destiny or Fate concerns the fixed natural order of the universe. It is the invincible necessity to which even the gods must accede, as the Sibyl of Delphi confessed. Destiny is fate, personified in Greek culture by the three Moirae (called the Parcae by the Romans), with a Nordic counterpart in the three Norns. The "doom of the powers" in Norse mythology is Ragnarok the battle which even Odin must inevitably face, at the end of the world.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate


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So I'm just wondering what is fate to you and how does it affect our life?

I think other than the fact that we are going to die, Fate is something reserved for the imagination...Destiny follows along those same lines, but I guess you could say would only fully be realized right before you meet your fate, if that makes sense...

I'm a muslim and a very religious guy, so I believe that God has already planned our lives and written our destiny down since we were born. So our lives just evolve in our destiny.

My reason/example is: If live didn't follow according to our destiny, I believe that the people who work their ass off in school and get good grades, should be the most successful, but the case isn't always so. You find people who were really stupid, lazy, and they end up being way more successful than the people who worked hard.

So I just think basically, we should work hard right from when we are young till we reach our destiny.

Wow Habib, that's interesting...

But seems to contradict itself, don't you think..?

Haha what contradicts itself? You mean the fact of Destiny being written down by God for all of us?

Yes...

If God intended for us to live our lives as he has written it, what is our purpose for living..?

The contridiction comes in when you said that some people work really hard and don't get anywhere near as far as the some of the lazy people..... then you go and say it's important to work hard.

If God already has everything planned...what's the point of working hard? You see where the contridiction might come in?



I believe that things happen for a reason. Everything has it's purpose. Wether or not everything is planned out...I'm not sure.


I think God puts us on a path....and he makes other path's meet with ours to show us a purpose. For example...mine and Ayhja's path crossed about 2-3 years ago.....and the purpose was for him to really mentor me and for me to really grow mentally and as a person....


I think everyone has a path they have to follow....but on that path, there are numerous routes that you have to choose from.

Work hard...or let things come to you..... do this or that. Everyday life choices affect where we'll end up...but I think we all do have a purpose... I don't know if I'm ready to say that God has everything all planned out....or if man controls his own destiny...but I think it's somewhere in the middle.

I think God has everything planned out because, we live today, but we are not promised tomorrow, it's only God that knows. We don't even know what will happen in the next minute to us.

Haha the fact of lazy people being successful was just an example of how I wanted to show how God has already written everyone's destiny. And I mean, that everyone should just workhard, till your destiny is met? Makes sense?

wiser men than me have not figured out what part Fate plays in the events of humanity.

and went insane trying.

best I can do is look at the pattern, look back, and make projections about the future.

but to me, you either believe in Fate, or you believe in Law.

if there is Fate, it is inevitable.
if there is Law, there is also Lawlessness.

and that is what I see of humanity, nature, the motions of heaven, and even the pattern of snowflakes.

Therefore, to me, if there is fate, there is also the choice to ignore it. Therefore,to the rebel it is not Fate.

Thus, for me, Law is what there is, and there is no one Law. Each person, each person is as an element, it has the character assigned it, by the composition of its essence. It will act according to those tendencies. Defects or damges will affect its performance. And it requires maintenance to make sure it is realigned when it needs to be.

Religion professes to ensure good order, but I personally feel NO RELIGION can do anything more than offer you a stage, script, and subject matter for you to create the passion play of resolving the true nature of your Self, and its dealing with THE OTHER, that is to say "all of that which you do not personally identify with."

It is well known, i am a man who seeks and finds comfort in the concealed histories often labelled as heresies. Ironically, I also have sought mental diagnosis for the visions I had were beyond what I once felt were sane mental faculties. I honestly spent six full years in my twenties trying to prove I was full blown batshit crazy. and I failed to convince a single doctor, in that I can now control it, and focus it into my meditations.

despite extensive testing, I was found sane, and furthermore, I was told "you have a special gift."

Plainly put, the TRUTH comes to me as Angels. not by my design or desire does this happen. there was a time when I was in grade school any given day, and suddenly I would find myself in a village full of people creaming and crying they did not speak my langage, but I knew their import. "beni Al him abassa i akirainu iadnoi bat-baalat mikal zakar. Me i achmad a paracledim veha dammu," literally "They, The Gods have come as the sons of God from the darkness of the void to be the Lords of our Ladies, and drink our blood from the cups at their weddings."

Was it my destiny to start hearing stuff like that at the age of 9? It would have been nice for that fate to have also given me the temperment to go to college, and I would be a world authority on protohebraic languages. But, would my path have crossed half of the people who helped me control the visions and voices, and learn how to learn from them? probably not.

and ultimately when I achieved the vision of unity, it was all worth it. I witness my destiny in reverse... every interaction and personal associations was taken OUT of me, and then my history was flayed from my bones, and my whole being was undone, for everything you are is what seperates you from what you are not. It was then I faced the ordeal of DARKNESS AND VOID, and beyond that,.. no word can describe it.

I WAS EVERYTHING,.. and when I came to that realization, I was not longer worthy of that state. I walked out of that experience with a legitimate respect for my grandfather's words. "No one knows what they believe until they have a gun in their face."

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raum

Hmmmmm, good stuff Raum. Just htat I had to read it over 4 times to understand what you were trying to say. Too much strong vocab. man, chill.../:D" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt=":D" />