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So Osama walks into this bar...

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:56 pm
by x3n

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:47 pm
by Pete
Cool article x3n, thanks. 8) :tur:


It's all a diversion. War historically looks much worse- so that fact is majorly taken advantage of.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:54 pm
by raum
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‚¢t get is safety from the real dangers: a life-threatening health-care system, lung-murdering pollution production and a trade deficit with China that†™‚¢‚¢¢¢¬…¡‚¬‚¢¢¢¬…¾

‚¢s reducing mid-America to coolie status.

xen, your other article was better, and more truthful.

We do not have a life threatening health care system,,.. it is just complicated. a single audit of the JHACO (Joint Health Assessment Commision) will reveal that. I have seen two. We make provisions you will not see anywhere else in the world, and many of those are extended to "free" or "county" hospitals.

the "tubes" the soldiers are getting are far more than retrofitted gear. they can sustain people in a damn near dormant condition. that is a tactical advantage we would be foolish not entertain, while Iran is already bringing subsurface warfare back into play. and in the Gulf (which by nature, involves water) this will ALWAYS be a factor. we won the war against japan with our fleet, that was protected from Germany UNDER WATER. We prevented the global nuclear exchange with Russia UNDER WATER. Sub-surface warfare dominance is a key to who will prevail.

I monthly, and even right now on my other screen, have to submit reports detailing the cost and quality of the fuel for our 21 qualifying facilities in the power industry. Details include supplier, location, Sulfur content and Ash content, as well as MMBTU (of "heat content"). This is made available at eia.doe.gov (look for survey form EIA-423), only our price point is kept confidential. Our HQ reports are then independently connected with power plant reports (EIA-906 and EIA-920 and EIA-767), and we have a acceptable 10% variance in heat content, to allow for fuel loss due to temperature and storage. but the quality and origin MUST MATCH. we compile reports monthly, and they are reviewed monthly, and audited by the Dept of Energy randomly, but at least once a year per qualifying facility. Failure to adhere to STRICT regulatory requirements for Environmental Impact limitations results in no less than 2,750 dollars per "real day" of generation (two peak cycles of plant activity) for civil fines, and that plus no less than 5 years for criminal withholding or falsified data. No other country can EVER claim to have more environmental stature than American legislation on the subject. Not even Kyoto protocol has such strict penalties for non-compliance with NUCLEAR plants.

I understand what he is trying to say, but he is spouting alot of bullshit presumptions along with it. I seriously doubt he is one of us who drops into the EIA site daily to see what is going on in the world of Energy. It's rather an acquired taste, this thing called RESEARCH.


as far as the color code, it is silly upon the surface... but indicative of a sense of false security, not fear. for reference the color has only been raised to RED once, from the gatorade bottles... and it slowy went down to orange. it has only been orange five times. it stays Yellow... which is completely understandable, if we even have a color system. though it seems a bit influenced by star-trek to me. and maybe that's where it was supposed to fit,.. but i'm not a trekkie.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:29 pm
by x3n
I dug the article because I dig humor as a platform for politics. The title joke-my true focal point- was good in my eyes because frankly, the climate of fear is and has been such that I plainly just don't give a fuck, except for having to hear about the dangers of waking up from everyone around me. I had to hear Puerto Ricans about likely targets in the island, you dig?

For the boy to reach out and grab little nuggets of unresearched truth is, well, it's a fault most of us seem to share from time to time.

The article is here for us to shoot the shit, boys and girls. Bring on the flames, We ain't nothing but a nick in here.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:41 pm
by raum
Maybe its the company I DON'T keep, but I don't hear alot of the society of fear stuff.

Most of the people I know are smart enough to realize a grocery store is an armory to the trained eye. and some of us are trained to see that way. I could engineer an explosion with more than a ton of force for the price of my light bill...

The "taste the rainbow of terror" skittles defense system ™ is for people who need someone to tell them what to do, and innocent souls who think the govt will be open about real threats to security. it is a pacifier, not a means to inspire fear.

its a nite-lite for those who used to live in a dreamworld without conflict until they woke up on 9-11-01.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:39 pm
by x3n
Damm...I've been around since '72 and I can't remember a time when there wasn't conflict around. I can't remember the US not being involved in it. I distinctly remember Colombia and Colombians being the bad news bears for a full two decades, that's when there wasn't mention of Russian nukes ready to be launched at any second. Mohamar Kadaffi became the baddie, then the Gulf war, Kosovo, few years go by when shits brewing nicely...9/11, off to war you go.

The Skittles system helped in taking your mind off of Africanized bees and Anthrax scares. :roll:

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:58 pm
by highlife
Fear sells better than sex....mabey in the short run but sex makes up for it over time. Just turn on the tv and see it on damn near every channel. I think as far as elections go if you can instill a sense of fear before the vote people will tend to stay with who ever is in office at the time. The idea of change durring fearful times is not comfortable to most. But if over time you start to look at the ones in charge as part of the reason for that fear than you get change. This is gonna be a very interesting election